Atheism or agnosticism?Follow

It is absolutely arbitrary as it's part of every person's development and life. All society has done was to pick a time in that life development to say it's ok to stop life. Everyone started from the same place, so it's completely arbitrary.



I wasn't, as for any real friends, none that I know of. I hear people complaining about child support all of the time, but none said that they didn't want the child.



Slow down, don't jump ahead, that's how you always end up debating something that I never said.

Let's take the fact of "Evolution taking place" for example. Can there be any new information that doesn't align with the fact "Evolution took place",i.e. Evolution didn't take place, and still have the statement "Evolution took place" be considered a fact?

It's a little wordy, so let me know if it's written in a way hard to understand.



The fact is, that is a stage of everyone's life. Just as I said above to Nilatai in this post. All you have done is picked an arbitrary time in a person's life and said "it's ok to prevent further life development in this stage". It doesn't matter if we developed from rocks. If it is known that our first stages of life are rocks and you have a rock that you know will turn into a person, by destroying that rock, you have made a conscious decision to end that life development.

So, it indeed becomes unfair when someone other than that rock or slab of cells decided to say "you're not worth to continue life anymore". I'm not sure how you not see the connection. I mean, what if your parents told you "I wish we had aborted you?" How would that make you feel?



I'm just going off what I see in real life and in court shows. I despise court shows, but sometimes I get placed in those situations, i.e. barber shops. I've heard many stories of men being shafted from a pregnancy. Of course I don't believe that all women do that, but to believe it isn't a noticeable percentage is denial.




I've actually already stated that I believe it is a hard decision as I've talked to women who had abortions. I also stated that the difficulty of the decision is completely irrelevant to the action. Once it's done it's done. It doesn't matter how hard the decision is. That's why I'm not arguing about that, because it doesn't matter if that were the hardest decision in your life, everything that we've been talking about will remain unchanged.

I think to make them understand, you have to call the fetus a "welfare recipient" and the mother the "nanny state."

And toasters. Very sacred.

Edited, May 5th 2011 4:19pm by LockeColeMA

Who said I was "pro-life"? My problem isn't with the act of abortion, but the rules and regulations surrounding the act.

That's not a stage of our lives, because the sperm doesn't turn into a person nor do a woman's eggs. When sperm is able to turn into people, then you would have a point. Nice try though.



Read above. So answer the question. How would you feel if your parents told you that they wish they had aborted you?



First of all, when it is done, it is done. The action is over. I didn't say that there weren't any feelings and emotions attached. I actually said the opposite in my example to you with my friend who considered her second pregnancy a blessing. The actual action is done, there is no reversing it.

Second of all, the point I was making to you is that I do understand that it is a difficult decision, but that level of difficulty doesn't change the topics that we are talking about, i.e. the rules and regulations of abortion. You're just fighting back with pure emotion now, "oh, it's so tough". WTF cares? That has nothing to do with the rules and regulations of abortion.

What has this got to do with anything?

If parents are telling their kids they wish they had aborted them, I think we've got bigger problems than abortion rates. I think someone needs to be calling child services.

Of course they do, given the right conditions. Just like a fetus turns into a child, given the right conditions.



You read above.

And if my parents would be telling me that, then they're probably pretty ****** parents and my life would probably suck, so I'd probably wish they had done so, as well.



Of course not... Who said it could be reversed??



I'm not arguing anything, just explaining my thought on why you are as fucked up as you are when it comes to women.

And your attitude towards marriage, love, social skills, I mean, this list goes on and on.

You say that women use pregnancy as a "weapon." You weasel your way out of it by saying, "well, not all women do it!" but it's your focus. The entirety of your philosophy with regards to abortion is couched in terms of conflict against women. The cornerstone of your philosophy is this: women are vituperative shrews. You don't even provide any statistics--you take it as self-evident that a sizable population women are conniving to ruin a man's life vis a vis the lucrative investment of childbirth. If it were not, you would not be using it as the default scenario.


Strangely enough, none of your ire (save maybe a token amount) is directed towards men.

Oooh, I am dying to hear your explanations, especially "social skills". go...




Beside me initially saying "some", that was what caught my eye of the unequal responsibility, which is what my entire argument is based on. If I truly felt that way about women, I would have always expressed the feelings that you misconstruing.



So I guess you missed the ENTIRE conversation on deadbeat dads huh?

Tell me where your view of deadbeat dads factors into your stance on abortion.