Atheism or agnosticism?Follow

Alma seems to believe that objects have the same level of sentience as homosexuals.

First of all, you are an idiot in all sciences; this is a necessary subset of you being an idiot in all things in general. Second, your (alleged) knowledge of comp sci is one hundred percent irrelevant here. Therefore, please quit referring to it as if it matters one bit.

I find it hilarious that you still can't see why those quotes you provide don't support your statement that theories arise from lack of facts.

That's not my argument at all. My argument is you shouldn't force someone into submitting to the will of someone else, and that the rights of the woman trump the rights of the foetus. Want to know why? Because the woman is a sentient being with rights and the foetus simply isn't.

Oh good, you posted another link that doesn't support your statement that theories arise from lack of facts...

We learn facts, and we create models from those facts. The model can then be used to make predictions based on the original data. Any new facts that do not completely align with the model can be integrated to improve said model. That is what a theory is, Alma. Can you see why your statement is completely fallacious now?

Edited, May 5th 2011 11:36am by Nilatai

That's not even close to how that phrase works.

ITT, Alma suggests either:
A. Objects can consent, and/or
B. Gays are not people.

If that's the case, then the man has no say in the fetus. If you're saying that the woman can do whatever she wants to the fetus, then the responsibility is solely on her. If and only if the man has a say in the development of the fetus is the responsibility of the fetus split. With power, there's responsibility.



/sigh... Let's take this one at a time...

Give me an example of a scientific fact and give me an example of a scientific theory and explain to me why they are what they are.

SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT!
SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT!
SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT!

Didn't you ever have sex ed?

Edit: I have met people who legitimately believed that if a woman agrees to come back to your house for a drink after dinner, she is consenting to sex. Not even mean trashy folks; one was in fact a pretty normal guy. Well, he was Israeli, but mostly normal as any American. He was just raised that if a girl acts a certain way that she knows can be taken as sexual, it will be, and no one should act shocked about it.

Edited, May 5th 2011 1:31pm by LockeColeMA

Wait, what? When did that stop being true? Hell, I always thought if I paid for dinner she owed me anyway.

No the man has no say in whether the foetus continues to grow in the woman's uterus or not. While in an ideal situation couples should come to a consensus on the subject, ultimately the woman has the final say. A man should not and can not force her into keeping/aborting a pregnancy if that is counter to her wishes. Once that decision is out of the way(assuming the pregnancy is not terminated), both parents bare responsibility for supporting and raising the child. These are two separate issues.



Oh goodie, you're going to teach me things. Okay, here we go!


Scientific fact - Evolution has taken place. We know this from fossil records, DNA sequencing, observations between closely related species, etcetera.

Scientific theory - The Theory of Evolution. This theory outlines the current knowledge and support for evolutionary biology, and is used to predict what results we can expect to find to support the facts. It also explains the mechanisms by which evolution can take place, such as natural selection.

More details can be found here.

That's your problem, they are not two separate issues, because that child was the same sack of cells earlier in her body. Just because you want to make an arbitrary distinction (i.e, tadpoles aren't frogs) doesn't change that.

If the woman has total control over the development of the fetus, she accepts total responsibility for the child if the man tells her ahead of time that he can not afford it. It's plain and simple.



Great examples! You stated in your last post that these models of facts are used to make predictions. Furthermore, any new facts that contradict the model will be integrated and the model will be adjusted. Is that an accurate summary?

I asked you to provide me proof of an accusation. Besides, that reference was to the "No, you're wrong" I replied that way only because you did.



You do realize that those cells will turn into a child right? That tapeworm isn't. Of course you do, that's the entire reason why you're having an abortion in the first place. We're talking about children, not animals or parasites. If that fetus weren't growing into a child, then you would have a point. Given that you made a conscious decision "Oh, snap, I don't want to have a CHILD", your action is a direct reflect on the future of the child.



I'll give you credit there, that IS polite when you think of the absolute worst. At the same time, if you have ultimate power over the fetus, then the man is really irrelevant. I would assume that a woman would only discuss it with the man if she was unsure on what she what to do or planned on keeping it. I don't see her saying anything if she absolutely don't want it.

I'm sorry. I admit I've been skipping some of your posts because I know that I agree with them. :(



Sure. But that also doesn't infringe on any rights of this not-yet-child, either. It can't be unfair to something that doesn't yet exist or has not yet developed.



I disagree. You're assuming an awful lot about the entire population of women in this country. If a man had gotten me pregnant and I didn't want a kid, I would still let him know what was going on. To me, it's his right (not in a legal way, of course) to know about this, and we can discuss what he wants and what I want. Ultimately, it's my decision. But if he can come up with a really excellent reason or somehow convince me that keeping the baby is a good idea, I'd be willing to hear him out.

I can only assume, but am willing to hear you say otherwise, that you feel that women are all this way because you think getting an abortion is an easy decision. It's certainly not. There may be a few women for which it is, but they are in the vast minority. Every woman I know, and while I have no evidence to this I can only assume that the huge majority of women consider an abortion a HUGE deal. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. They know EXACTLY what will happen to that clump of cells if she doesn't take any action to the contrary. They know that they have to live with their decision forever.