In this case, attending to the welfare of the child. Just because one woman has to do more work for her handicap child, it doesn't make her MORE responsible than a mother with a non-handicap child. No family is the same, so the amount of work will always differ. Being responsible is doing what you have to do to make ends meet. If that means that a man has to work two jobs, then so be it. That doesn't make him more or less responsible than a man who only works one job, but it does make him more responsible than a man who doesn't do anything. Even if the man is a stay home dad, as long as he is doing what is necessary for the welfare of the child, he is being equally as responsible as the guy who is working 2 jobs.
The mother attends to the welfare of the child far more than the man ever will. The burden of responsibility is never split evenly in this case, unless the child is adopted. I do have to laugh at you for your definition. A stay at home dad takes FAR more responsibility for the child than a dad who works 2 jobs. Both are admirable, no one is saying otherwise.
Fine, just don't go asking the man for any form of support for you or the child if he isn't going to have a say in the matter. It's YOUR choice and YOUR body.
Again, that dislike of women rears it's ugly head. It's starting to look like you don't like kids much, either. :(
What'spunishment to you isn't punishment to someone else.
Sure. And if a woman wants to have an abortion and you scream and yell because a man has no say in that, then you're trying to punish her by forcing her to carry a baby to term because a man wants it. Or you want her to bear the brunt of the responsibility for a mutual mistake and the kid has to suffer.
As I said, if this were some type of "disease" or your life were in danger, then you would have an argument of "punishment". In this case, the woman voluntarily chose to be placed in that situation. She isn't being "punished", she's undergoing a natural, normal and "moral" state that she accepted responsibility of when she decided to have ***.
Nope. Have to disagree with you there. Completely disagree, acutally.
My explanation is at the top of this post. Once again, you're arguing reactions as opposed to prevention. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up "having an abortion is a responsible decision" when I keep freakin telling you that I'm referencing to everything PRIOR to the pregnancy, i.e. ***. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, then chances are, you were already irresponsible.
No, I already pointed out to you that you aren't talking about anything prior to having ***.
But, to be fair, I can see where you are going.. So, give me scenarios where it would be "responsible" to have an abortion?
Any case where the child is not wanted. Having an abortion is a responsible course of action.
Given the fact I didn't say that, I stand by my statement. I'm not sure where you guys come up with this complete nonsense. Like I said, no wonder you think I'm so stupid. If I didn't restate my argument multiple times over, you would have a "by".
I don't know what a "by" is. You're saying that a couple should mutually decide if an abortion should take place. Well, what if the man wants to keep the baby and the woman doesn't want it? Following your logic, she should have to have the baby and hand it over to the man, then have her hands washed free of it, and not be forced to pay any support for said child. Right...? Otherwise, you can't claim that you're advocating completely equality here. I mean, you can't technically claim that anyway, but you seem to think you can.