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#327 May 02 2011 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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#329 May 02 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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#330Almalieque, Posted: May 02 2011 at 1:36 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Given the fact I didn't say that, I stand by my statement. I'm not sure where you guys come up with this complete nonsense. Like I said, no wonder you think I'm so stupid. If I didn't restate my argument multiple times over, you would have a "by".
#331 May 02 2011 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.

This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
#332 May 02 2011 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.

This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
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#333 May 02 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Default
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Ailitardif wrote:


That wasn't you? Someone has been posting from your account then.


Or you just don't know what you're talking about. I've been the one arguing the difference between discriminating against one's ***/skin color (physical trait) vs a sexuality (personality trait). I spent pages arguing it, so I'm fairly confident in my claim.

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The issue at hand is you wanting to put the decision of whether a woman has an abortion or not in the hands of a man.


Please quote me saying that or STFU.

Nilatai wrote:
The laws on child support exist because of people like you. Deadbeat dads.


How is taking care of kids that aren't even mine make me a "dead beat dad".. Dead beat dads FAVOR abortion, that way they don't have to be responsible for their actions. Nice try though...

Nilatai wrote:
Why would anyone have an abortion? A number of reasons, health issues, social pressures, economic factors. Why does it matter why someone wants one?

If the foetus was going to die any way, getting an abortion would be redundant. What's your point?


My point is that it has nothing to do with the fetus, but the child. You don't care about the "life" of the fetus, that isn't your concern, so don't pretend that abortion isn't about raising children, because that's exactly what it is. So, the two are together.

For the exception of health factors, which I differentiated, all of your reasons deal with raising children.
#334 May 02 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
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Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.
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#335 May 02 2011 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think I'm being really reasonable here. I'm just against people having abortions all willy nilly.
I'm against people having abortions all nilly willy as well. I even agree with many of your points. I just don't see it as my place to dictate to others what they should or shouldn't do. Nor do I think the law should either. I'm of the opinion that a fetus is not a baby, at least not until its far enough along that it can feel. And while I agree, that it sucks that a man, who doesn't want the child is stuck having to pay for one if the mother decides to go forward with the abortion, such is the responsibility of being a member of society. Where I'd give your argument more credence is when a mother doesn't want it, but the father does. I'd still side with the mother though, as you should not force something upon another, especially given its not a short term thing.
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#336 May 02 2011 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
Please quote me saying that or STFU.
Shut up Alma. Two people have come to the conclusion that is what you were insinuating. Again, if you don't think so maybe you should have picked your words more carefully.


Almalieque wrote:
How is taking care of kids that aren't even mine make me a "dead beat dad".. Dead beat dads FAVOR abortion, that way they don't have to be responsible for their actions. Nice try though...
They do? I thought they just didn't want to care for the kids they have. I mean, if they'd had an abortion they wouldn't be deadbeat dads, right? They'd just be deadbeats. Nice try though...



Almalieque wrote:
My point is that it has nothing to do with the fetus, but the child. You don't care about the "life" of the fetus, that isn't your concern, so don't pretend that abortion isn't about raising children, because that's exactly what it is. So, the two are together.

For the exception of health factors, which I differentiated, all of your reasons deal with raising children.
Oooh. So because that's to do with children it means women shouldn't be able to have abortions because if they don't have the children they can't say they don't want them. Got it!
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#337 May 02 2011 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
It's Vatican approved!
Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.
Oh! Duh. Rhythm method is the only form of contraception allowed by the Vatican. Although they do let you use condoms if there is significant risk of HIV/AIDS now, so I guess there's something.
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#338 May 02 2011 at 1:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
It's Vatican approved!
Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.

... pulling out?
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#339 May 02 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh! Duh. Rhythm method is the only form of contraception allowed by the Vatican. Although they do let you use condoms if there is significant risk of HIV/AIDS now, so I guess there's something.


Not true. The pope said that if you're already knowingly going to commit a sin, at least be as safe as possible when it comes to HIV/AIDS.
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#340 May 02 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
It's Vatican approved!
Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.
... pulling out?
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9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.


Edited, May 2nd 2011 4:06pm by lolgaxe
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#341 May 02 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
It's Vatican approved!
Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.
... pulling out?
Genesis 38.
is that the whole "better in a ***** than on the ground" thing?
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#342 May 02 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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I think I'm being really reasonable here. I'm just against people having abortions all willy nilly.
I'm against people having abortions all nilly willy as well.
I don't think anyone is for having abortions be that casual of a decision.



Edited, May 2nd 2011 3:08pm by bsphil
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#343 May 02 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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is that the whole "better in a ***** than on the ground" thing?
Yeah, along those lines.
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I don't think anyone is for having abortions be that casual of a decision.
Pro-lifer misconception of the topic.
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#344 May 02 2011 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
Majivo wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
It wasn't planned and they were doing the "pull-out" method, so it wasn't completely careless.
This is a joke and I'm missing it, right? Please say yes.
It's Vatican approved!
Nope, still a sin.

And my family wonders why I stopped.
... pulling out?
Genesis 38 wrote:
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled [it] on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.


Edited, May 2nd 2011 4:06pm by lolgaxe


I meant to imply "and my family wonders why I stopped pulling out" Smiley: glare Darn interwebs, ruining my come-backs!
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#345 May 02 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, god killed a lot of people in the old testament.

Also, is it incest to sleep with your daughter-in-law?
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#346 May 02 2011 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Almalieque wrote:
In this case, attending to the welfare of the child. Just because one woman has to do more work for her handicap child, it doesn't make her MORE responsible than a mother with a non-handicap child. No family is the same, so the amount of work will always differ. Being responsible is doing what you have to do to make ends meet. If that means that a man has to work two jobs, then so be it. That doesn't make him more or less responsible than a man who only works one job, but it does make him more responsible than a man who doesn't do anything. Even if the man is a stay home dad, as long as he is doing what is necessary for the welfare of the child, he is being equally as responsible as the guy who is working 2 jobs.


The mother attends to the welfare of the child far more than the man ever will. The burden of responsibility is never split evenly in this case, unless the child is adopted. I do have to laugh at you for your definition. A stay at home dad takes FAR more responsibility for the child than a dad who works 2 jobs. Both are admirable, no one is saying otherwise.

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Fine, just don't go asking the man for any form of support for you or the child if he isn't going to have a say in the matter. It's YOUR choice and YOUR body.


Again, that dislike of women rears it's ugly head. It's starting to look like you don't like kids much, either. :(

Almalieque wrote:
What'spunishment to you isn't punishment to someone else.


Sure. And if a woman wants to have an abortion and you scream and yell because a man has no say in that, then you're trying to punish her by forcing her to carry a baby to term because a man wants it. Or you want her to bear the brunt of the responsibility for a mutual mistake and the kid has to suffer.

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As I said, if this were some type of "disease" or your life were in danger, then you would have an argument of "punishment". In this case, the woman voluntarily chose to be placed in that situation. She isn't being "punished", she's undergoing a natural, normal and "moral" state that she accepted responsibility of when she decided to have ***.


Nope. Have to disagree with you there. Completely disagree, acutally.

Almalieque wrote:
My explanation is at the top of this post. Once again, you're arguing reactions as opposed to prevention. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up "having an abortion is a responsible decision" when I keep freakin telling you that I'm referencing to everything PRIOR to the pregnancy, i.e. ***. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, then chances are, you were already irresponsible.


No, I already pointed out to you that you aren't talking about anything prior to having ***.

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But, to be fair, I can see where you are going.. So, give me scenarios where it would be "responsible" to have an abortion?


Any case where the child is not wanted. Having an abortion is a responsible course of action.

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Given the fact I didn't say that, I stand by my statement. I'm not sure where you guys come up with this complete nonsense. Like I said, no wonder you think I'm so stupid. If I didn't restate my argument multiple times over, you would have a "by".


I don't know what a "by" is. You're saying that a couple should mutually decide if an abortion should take place. Well, what if the man wants to keep the baby and the woman doesn't want it? Following your logic, she should have to have the baby and hand it over to the man, then have her hands washed free of it, and not be forced to pay any support for said child. Right...? Otherwise, you can't claim that you're advocating completely equality here. I mean, you can't technically claim that anyway, but you seem to think you can.
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#348varusword75, Posted: May 02 2011 at 2:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) belkira,
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Any case where the child is not wanted. Having an abortion is a responsible course of action.



Why limit this course of action to a fetus? Murder is murder regardless of how you justify it in your tiny little brain.

No it isn't.
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#350 May 02 2011 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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My only question is why the fUck are we even discussing this?? Pro-lifers will never change their minds. Which is why I say we should send all unwanted children to them to raise.
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My only question is why the fUck are we even discussing this?? Pro-lifers will never change their minds. Which is why I say we should send all unwanted children to them to raise.


Same reason we talk about anything around here, I 'spect. Boredom.

And I agree with sending unwanted kids to pro-lifers.
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