The distinction is anything but arbitrary. At 24 weeks, a foetus has proximately a 50% chance of survival outside of the womb, which before 24 weeks it does not have. This makes it a viable life form. Doesn't make my point that a foetus' rights don't supersede the mother's wrong either.
It is absolutely arbitrary as it's part of every person's development and life. All society has done was to pick a time in that life development to say it's ok to stop life. Everyone started from the same place, so it's completely arbitrary.
I have to ask a question here, and I want you to be honest. Were you, one of your friends or a family member trapped into paying for a child you don't want? Because that seems to be where all your arguments are coming from.
I wasn't, as for any real friends, none that I know of. I hear people complaining about child support all of the time, but none said that they didn't want the child.
This is going to be good, I can tell. Yes, that's what I said.
Slow down, don't jump ahead, that's how you always end up debating something that I never said.
Let's take the fact of "Evolution taking place" for example. Can there be any new information that doesn't align with the fact "Evolution took place",i.e. Evolution didn't take place, and still have the statement "Evolution took place" be considered a fact?
It's a little wordy, so let me know if it's written in a way hard to understand.
Sure. But that also doesn't infringe on any rights of this not-yet-child, either. It can't be unfair to something that doesn't yet exist or has not yet developed.
The fact is, that is a stage of everyone's life. Just as I said above to Nilatai in this post. All you have done is picked an arbitrary time in a person's life and said "it's ok to prevent further life development in this stage". It doesn't matter if we developed from rocks. If it is known that our first stages of life are rocks and you have a rock that you know will turn into a person, by destroying that rock, you have made a conscious decision to end that life development.
So, it indeed becomes unfair when someone other than that rock or slab of cells decided to say "you're not worth to continue life anymore". I'm not sure how you not see the connection. I mean, what if your parents told you "I wish we had aborted you?" How would that make you feel?
I disagree. You're assuming an awful lot about the entire population of women in this country. If a man had gotten me pregnant and I didn't want a kid, I would still let him know what was going on. To me, it's his right (not in a legal way, of course) to know about this, and we can discuss what he wants and what I want.
I'm just going off what I see in real life and in court shows. I despise court shows, but sometimes I get placed in those situations, i.e. barber shops. I've heard many stories of men being shafted from a pregnancy. Of course I don't believe that all women do that, but to believe it isn't a noticeable percentage is denial.
I can only assume, but am willing to hear you say otherwise, that you feel that women are all this way because you think getting an abortion is an easy decision. It's certainly not. There may be a few women for which it is, but they are in the vast minority. Every woman I know, and while I have no evidence to this I can only assume that the huge majority of women consider an abortion a HUGE deal. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. They know EXACTLY what will happen to that clump of cells if she doesn't take any action to the contrary. They know that they have to live with their decision forever.
I've actually already stated that I believe it is a hard decision as I've talked to women who had abortions. I also stated that the difficulty of the decision is completely irrelevant to the action. Once it's done it's done. It doesn't matter how hard the decision is. That's why I'm not arguing about that, because it doesn't matter if that were the hardest decision in your life, everything that we've been talking about will remain unchanged.