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My only question is why the fUck are we even discussing this?? Pro-lifers will never change their minds. Which is why I say we should send all unwanted children to them to raise.

Sure, but this has nothing to do with whether a man should be required to pay child support. The point at which a man has sex is the point at which he takes responsibility for it. If abortions would be illegal then that would be the case for both, if abortions are legal then the women still has to take responsibility for her actions, but it's more complex for her because she's carrying the kid. It's a totally different situation, and not hypocritical at all to expect that there are going to be differences. You can argue against abortion, but it's a separate issue from child support.

This sounds about right.

Once the guy has to suffer equal consequences naturally (pregnancy changes your body forever, and women often take the brunt of the responsibility of child-rearing even when the father is fully involved), then he'll get an equal say.

And who cares if the justification is "I don't wanna?" Children are difficult to raise even when they're fully planned for, and no child should come into this world when they're not wanted.

Edited, May 2nd 2011 12:38pm by Sweetums

What's a Foetus? Is it like an evil fetus, that's constantly playing an adversarial role to someone?

It's how us Brits & commonwealth English speakers spell "fetus". I'm not sure why, seeing as the Latin word was "Fetus". Ah well, habit of a lifetime, I suppose.

We pronounce it the same way you guys do. Just with more British accentness. :3

Edited, May 2nd 2011 1:50pm by Nilatai

Then what does responsibility equal...? How are you measuring it, exactly? I only want to know so I can laugh at you.



The woman wants to have total control over her body. I think that's more than reasonable. A man shouldn't have any control over her body. Period.



As you're so fond of saying, "see above."



Sure. Except the woman has to be punished in the process. Nooo, you don't dislike women... /rolleyes



Again. Let me know what you consider acting responsibly. Because, to me, having an abortion is a responsible decision. As is deciding to have the child and only making the father, who is equally to blame for the issue, pay a fee to support his portion of the mistake. An incredibly small price to pay when considered on the whole.



No, you're not. You're proposing that a woman be forced to carry a child to term for three quarters of a year if a man wants her to. Proposing something that places responsibility before anyone decides to have sex would be something along the lines of mandatory birth control, mandatory sterilization, or something along those lines. Your "options," which are simplistic to the point of idiocy, only deal with what happens afterward. Nice try, though.



No, like suggesting that a woman should be forced to carry a child she doesn't want and then the child should suffer if the mother can't support it simply because a man has deemed it should be so.



Edited, May 2nd 2011 1:11pm by Belkira

The issue at hand is you wanting to put the decision of whether a woman has an abortion or not in the hands of a man. If you don't think so you've not been paying attention to your own argument. Forcing women to carry to term unwanted pregnancies is forcing them to do something that is against their will. How can you not see this is wrong?

The issue of paying for your child is not even remotely similar to being forced to carry to term and give birth to a child you do not want. The laws on child support exist because of people like you. Deadbeat dads.




Why would anyone have an abortion? A number of reasons, health issues, social pressures, economic factors. Why does it matter why someone wants one?

If the foetus was going to die any way, getting an abortion would be redundant. What's your point?

Edited, May 2nd 2011 2:21pm by Nilatai

Wrong, sinner. Life begins at the erection according to the Vatican.

Of course, that is the Christian attitude on the subject.