Obama should give back his tax refundFollow

Of course he should keep his refund and do what ever he wants with it. I am surprised any conservative would say otherwise.

If you want to get pissed off at a liberal politician complaining about taxes being too low go after Senator Kerry and his boat in Rhode Island to avoid Massachusetts taxes. (Yes I know he finally changed the registertration, but it is a better point on hypocracy.)

Yeah, if it was a conservative like Bush, he'd have not funded his massive spending at all, like the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, Medicare Part D...

Real convincing! lol

So right about what Bush spent on a brand new entitlement program in the form of Medicare Part D?

Ok, then who is FICA and why is he getting my money?

Hey, I remember that one.

That's not what I said at all. I said that there's some reasonableness to the argument that if liberals want to fund charity via government, that maybe they should be the ones to pay the extra costs associated with that charity. The whole "higher taxes" bit is more of a joke. It's meant to be a placeholder for the argument that instead of liberals funding charitable works with government money and making everyone pay for them, that if they think those charities are so important, they should simply pay for them directly. Conservatives don't seriously think we should have different tax rates for different people based on political affiliation. It's just a point made to show how we should be doing this differently in the first place.




Like all the people who donate time and money to private charities of their choice? Yes. I would absolutely expect that they are donating their time and money, not other people's.



Yeah. Great argument for not spending money on those programs in the first place. Do you see how if instead of having the government run charitable programs, you let private charities do so instead, then those things will be funded exactly to the degree to which the people believe they are worth funding? So if *I* think that a certain homeless aid program is great, I can choose to donate money to it. But if I think that other programs aren't good ideas I can choose *not* to fund them with donations. That way, I'm never paying for anything that I don't think is a good idea.

That's what conservatives are really arguing here. The whole "how about only liberals pay the taxes for those things" is just an in between step to get the argument to that point.



Should they? National defense is at least on the list of things that governments "must do". The extra costs for wars on top of the normal amount we pay for this each year is really not as much as you might think. The reality is that social spending is much greater than military spending, and absolutely dwarfs the amount we actually spend fighting wars.

That's a BS response as well btw. It's another example of "yeah, but!".

They employ gay people and had a "gay day" (or something) at the park. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting them ever since.

They also show women as a strong character in their princess movies more and more.

They also released Wall-E which was a pro-environmentalist movement type movie.

Jeez thats a depressing view of life! You make it sound as though 'war' is something that just has to be practiced at all times, or modern life just wouldn't be worth living.

I was going to point out also that defense (national or otherwise) has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the wars being fought by the US in any one of the three third world countries currently in the headlines. But i'm off to australia tommorrow for the weekend and I cant be ***** with it atm.




That would have worked better if Obama wasn't so obviously following on from exactly where Dubya left off....

But they did so because it was a fashion crime. Definitely liberal.