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#77 Apr 15 2011 at 7:20 PM Rating: Good
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That should pass the mustard right?


Pass muster, you yutz.

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#78 Apr 15 2011 at 7:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just going on record and mentioning I realize I've gotten myself wooshed, and my defense is the second Indiana Jones movie just came on.
That's one of my top four favorite Indiana Jones movies!
Note that I don't even consider the fourth movie in the top four.


If you take away most of the plot points, actors, and green screens it was actually pretty good (I'm referring to Harrison Ford wearing the hat)
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#79 Apr 15 2011 at 8:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
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I'm just going on record and mentioning I realize I've gotten myself wooshed, and my defense is the second Indiana Jones movie just came on.
That's one of my top four favorite Indiana Jones movies!
Note that I don't even consider the fourth movie in the top four.


That really was a bad movie.
#80 Apr 15 2011 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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But it's a win-win for the right though.

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This puts a hard clock on that though, doesn't it? Either he has to do something absurd (like use a proxy), or he has to provide the documents. The birthers get what they want and the GOP gets the issue put behind them and the Dems lose the free jokes on cable TV.

It's adorable that you think these people will just say "Oh! So I was wrong then! Hahahaha... boy, was I silly!"

The idea that there's some singular silver bullet that will make the scary Obama-monster go away is what these people live and breathe for. The birthers will never get "what they want" because what they actually want is an easy solution to the pathological fear they've been taught by the crazed Right.
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#81 Apr 16 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, it would have been nice for Obama to do the right thing three years ago
That's the point you've missed for 3 years: he did do the right thing three years ago. But that doesn't really stop a conspiracy theory in the same way that people still believe 9/11 was an inside job and that people still believe the Earth is flat. Conspiracy theories thrive on confirmation bias, only growing stronger in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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#82 Apr 17 2011 at 12:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Except for that time where he lived until the age of 10 in Indonesia of course. But other than that, he was raised as a US citizen and spent most of his life here. How much of your cultural and social identity had you formed by age 10? A good amount, right? Obviously, this doesn't disqualify him legally, but your statement isn't really accurate.


Right, if you ignore that everything about my statement was accurate, then it wasn't really accurate.

It must be exhausting being this willfully, defiantly ignorant. Imagine what you could do with all that energy if you weren't constantly fighting against the tide of reality.
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I love that Gbaji takes three years abroad (Oct 1967 (age 5)-June 1970 when he spent the summer with his grandparents in Hawaii and then went to live permanently in 1971), ignores the presence of his Kansas-born mother, and tries to weave little scare stories from it. Oh noes! He lived there until he was 10!! Now he doesn't have the right social identity and national loyalties!!

Oh, yeah... once that birth certificate is on file, ALLLLLLL those crazy Birther conspiracy theories will just stop right then and there! There's no pathological fear here at all :D

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#84 Apr 17 2011 at 1:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I think that Obama is just going to hold out until the GOP does something silly like choose Trump as their candidate, then he will drop the bombshell and completely destroy Trumps current running platform.
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I think that Obama is just going to hold out until the GOP does something silly like choose Trump as their candidate, then he will drop the bombshell and completely destroy Trumps current running platform.


That would be so awesome that I would probably **** myself.
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#86 Apr 17 2011 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I have nothing of any importance whatsoever to add to this thread.

"Follow Suit", as in one of the four suits in a deck of cards.

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More states should follow suite


Edited, Apr 17th 2011 6:50pm by stupidmonkey
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#87 Apr 17 2011 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The text is a pretty neat read: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/hb2177s.pdf

Starts on page 3 and goes to page 4. Basically says "You need a long-form birth certificate or GTFO."

I don't have a long form and I was born in Jersey =/ (that might be why =/) My children and my husband have long forms though.

DO certain states just not issue long forms?
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#88 Apr 17 2011 at 10:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, it's up to the state.

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Yeah, it's up to the state.



I'm slow..I apologize. So, since my state didn't issue a long form, I'm essentially screwed if I were to want to run for political office in Arizona? (not sure why I would want to run for office..)
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#90 Apr 17 2011 at 11:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I assume so, although I confess I haven't been paying close attention.

My take on this is that it won't take four years for this to filter through the court system and be dismissed as unconstitutional. But we'll see; maybe it's written better than most reactive laws tend to be.

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#91 Apr 18 2011 at 4:08 AM Rating: Good
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I assume so, although I confess I haven't been paying close attention.

My take on this is that it won't take four years for this to filter through the court system and be dismissed as unconstitutional. But we'll see; maybe it's written better than most reactive laws tend to be.


Not sure if it's unconstitutional or not (maybe it is), but I would definitely think it violates the Privacy Act (again, maybe not?). Of course, making laws that violate other laws happens a lot.
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#92 Apr 18 2011 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, it would seem to violate the "full faith and credit" clause. Some political analysts have weighed in on this already; here's a fairly accessible write-up that also mentions a bill in Arkansas that tried to impose term limits by leaving people off the state ballot if they'd already served two terms.

Here's the full faith and credit discussion specifically:

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Arizona’s bill, if it becomes law, would also seem to be vulnerable to a challenge under the Full Faith And Credit Clause. Section 1 of Article IV of the Constitution requires states to give full faith and credit to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. This includes accepting as genuine records from a sister state that have been officially certified under seal from the appropriate record keeper. Under Arizona’s law, the Hawaii Certification Of Live Birth, which is an official document from the State of Hawaii, and the only birth record that the state releases. By failing to accept this document, even for the limited purpose that this law is written for, Arizona would be failing to give full faith and credit to the records of not just Hawaii, but every other state that only issues COLB’s as birth records.


Bolding mine.

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#93 Apr 18 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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But see, faith is a religious concept, and they're not about to mix church and state.
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#94varusword75, Posted: Apr 18 2011 at 8:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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Fact is Obama will never lose the support of democrats regardless of what he does or who he is.
And Republicans will never lose the support of republicans, no matter what. Kind of funny how bias works.
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I assume they'll run out the clock to the last minute, letting you and the rest of the Birthers work yourselves into a lather and then hand over whatever they need and leave you guys looking stupid.
If that were the case it would have served him better to have released them the first time around.

Why? Again, he's better served by having the Birthers of the fringe Right wing embarrassing the party. There was no need to release them the first time around because it was never hurting his campaign. Instead the nutbags on the Right spent their time and money pursuing this rather than anything actually productive.
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#97varusword75, Posted: Apr 18 2011 at 10:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
#98 Apr 18 2011 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Well except they aren't the fringe. Republicans are seeing Obama as either intentionally divisive or a someone who's got something to hide.


Right, so, business as usual then?
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Again, he's better served by having the Birthers of the fringe Right wing embarrassing the party.


Well except they aren't the fringe. The people are seeing Obama as either intentionally divisive or a someone who's got something to hide.


Don't pretend that the majority of the people believe this garbage.
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#100 Apr 18 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Default
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I think that Obama is just going to hold out until the GOP does something silly like choose Trump as their candidate, then he will drop the bombshell and completely destroy Trumps current running platform.


Well if Trump is dumb enough to base his entire campaign on that particular topic, then yes. Else, it's no different than any other lies said and done during politics.

It's actually kind of ironic, all of this work is probably hurting The Governator from ever becoming president. I'm sure he would give President Obama a "run for his money" without actually having to provide anything.
#101Almalieque, Posted: Apr 18 2011 at 10:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nope, I just polled 10 people, apparently majority of the United States believes so.
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