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#152 Apr 19 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good

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I'm all for pride in your birthplace, but some people are goddamn idiots about it.

Can't all be from New York, just deal with it the best you can.

This reminds me, my sister-in-law got accepted to NYU for grad school...she is going to south florida. What the hell is that?

She may also be subscribing to the Bill Simmons theory of college choices: when in doubt, choose the school in warmer weather.

PS: I work in New York and I hate this city. Smiley: tongue

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#153 Apr 19 2011 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent

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I'd wager a bet that a majority of the US debt was caused by using deficit spending to pay for an unnecessary war in Afghanistan and an unnecessary war in Iraq.

You'd lose that bet. We spend more on social services in a year than it would cost to run 10 wars in countries like afghanistan.

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Which makes me wonder, would you actually rather see education, health care, medicare, etc. go to sh*t because you want to see dead muslims?

If you weren't operating under the false premise that military spending is anywhere near what's being paid on social services (that are by and large failures) you might have a point.

Fact is only way the US is going to get out of the financial situation it's in is to stop stealing from the producers to support the non-producers. Of course that's easier said than done considering the Democrats have created a society of people who think it's the responsibility of the federal govn to feed, shelter, and provide healthcare for every single person (not just citizens) residing in the country. And they actually believe it's their right.

/facepalm

You completely missed the bloody point. And you didn't even address the important part.

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#154 Apr 19 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Good

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LockeColeMA wrote:

Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:

lolgaxe wrote:

I'm all for pride in your birthplace, but some people are goddamn idiots about it.

Can't all be from New York, just deal with it the best you can.

This reminds me, my sister-in-law got accepted to NYU for grad school...she is going to south florida. What the hell is that?

NYU is INCREDIBLY expensive, and is located in the most expensive city in the country. South Florida is a much better idea if finances are what you have in mind. I mean, as a Gator I hate the 'Noles, but I used to date a girl who went to NYU - she'll be repaying her loans until she's 40.

She went to UGA, so she didn't even apply to Florida (though the program is better). I think she doesn't like UF because they beat UGA too often.

Also, she got funding for NYU and nothing for South Florida. But I just wanted her to go to NYU so I could get Doughnut Plant.

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#155 Apr 19 2011 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good

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I hate to break it to you but our country is better than all those places you just listed. More people have more sh*t in this country than all those countries you just listed combined.

Um, standard of living is not gauged by the amount of mass-produced Chinese crapola you can fit into a double-wide. Quite the opposite, actually: people who compulsively hoard unnecessary stuff are usually doing it in an attempt to fulfill some void in their lives. But hey, if you want to CONSUME, then go ahead and feed the capitalist machine.

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#156 Apr 20 2011 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good

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According to Washington Post ABC Poll Varus's majority is an minority.

Most Americans would rather see taxes increase on the wealthiest Americans then cuts in Medicare and Medicaid. They also don't support across the board tax increases, just on the filthy rich.

Which goes to show most Americans realize that the Republican Party is trying to send the country down the drain with cries of less taxes on the wealthy will create more jobs.

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#157 Apr 20 2011 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good

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You're a f*cking idiot. I'm consistently amazed you can figure out how to turn on your computer. There's a reason the US standard of living is the highest in the world. Maybe you should check that out before making more absurdly idiotic statements like the one you just did.

Unfortunately what is standard in the US is for the average citizen to have poorer health, education, and net worth than the average citizen in countries with more progressive tax systems and higher social spending. That's not even an argument the GOP is clinging to as readily anymore since it's becoming increasingly apparent that trickle down is ********* There's more emphasis on how the wealthy are under attack and 200,000/year isn't rich, and how it isn't fair, wah wah wah.

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You'd lose that bet. We spend more on social services in a year than it would cost to run 10 wars in countries like afghanistan.

The question is do we spend more per capita than other countries, and the answer is "not even close."

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#158 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 21 2011 at 8:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,

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#159 Apr 21 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent

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Um, standard of living is not gauged by the amount of mass-produced Chinese crapola you can fit into a double-wide. Quite the opposite, actually: people who compulsively hoard unnecessary stuff are usually doing it in an attempt to fulfill some void in their lives. But hey, if you want to CONSUME, then go ahead and feed the capitalist machine.

Translation: I can't buy sh*t because i'm broke poor white trash so buying stuff is bad.

You can't even afford internet and cable at home, so what the hell are you talking about?

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#160 Apr 21 2011 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent

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There's more emphasis on how the wealthy are under attack and 200,000/year isn't rich, and how it isn't fair, wah wah wah.

200k a year isn't as much as you think for a dual income house with 3 children. Again just pitting the producers against the non-producers. Unfortunately there are nearly as many non-producers as there are producers and the non-producers (which are primarily democrats) have no intention of becoming producers as long as they can use the federal govn to steal from the producers to support their lives.

The hell it isn't! Smiley: lol

My parents cleared about half of that with two kids (plus child support for another from a previous marriage), and they own their house and car, have no debt, and managed to help both kids with college payments. And they still have a bunch saved for retirement.

Granted, they are both very smart, frugal, and have had some good luck. But saying 200k a year isn't much is pure BS.

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Translation: I can't buy sh*t because i'm broke poor white trash so buying stuff is bad.

seems to say instead "Shoot, I really don't know what standard of living is."

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#161 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 21 2011 at 9:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nads,

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#162 Apr 21 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent

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But saying 200k a year isn't much is pure BS.

It sure as h*ll isn't filthy rich.

It's entirely subjective. I'd call someone making 200k a year rich. They're easily in the top 5% of earners in the US.

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e U.S. Census Bureau offers income data by household and individual. It is to be noted that 42% of households have two incomes earners; thus making households' income levels higher than personal income levels. The 2005 economic survey revealed the income distribution for households and individuals whereby the top 5% of individuals had six figure incomes (exceeding $100,000) and the top 10% of individuals had incomes exceeding $75,000.

That's in 2005, but I'm sure it's similar to now. Making $200,000 as a household would put someone in the top 3% of earners in the US. I would call that "rich;" at the very least, "Upper-class" would be appropriate. "Filthy rich" would be tougher to define, IMO, but you didn't talk about "filthy rich"... you said "200k a year isn't much." It's more than what 97% of the country's households make Smiley: rolleyes

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#164 Apr 21 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good

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varusword75 wrote:

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I'd call someone making 200k a year rich

I wouldn't. Then again i've actually associated with multi-millionaires so I can tell the difference between a single guy making 100k and someone worth 10's of millions.

Do you really think a dual income household with 3 kids earning a total of 200k is rich? Really?

It's all relative, ya idgit.

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#165 Apr 21 2011 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good

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I wouldn't. Then again i've actually associated with multi-millionaires so I can tell the difference between a single guy making 100k and someone worth 10's of millions.

Do you really think a dual income household with 3 kids earning a total of 200k is rich? Really?

Far richer than the vast majority of people worldwide. The average household income for a family in the US is approximately $46000. Considering that I was brought up in a household with half that, I think that 200k is far, far more than anyone actually needs.

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#167 Apr 21 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent

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But I'm not a democrat. Hell, even if I wanted to(which I don't), I couldn't be a Democrat, I'm Canadian. I can only be a New Democrat, and I don't even want that.

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Jealousy and envy directed at those who succeed is no way to go through life.

Oh, I'm not envious or jealous, I just get exasperated by peoples' obsessions with buying piles of stuff they don't need and still saying it's not enough.

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#168 Apr 21 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent

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Varrus, Ignoring the hilarity of your assertion, it still doesn't change the fact that 200K is easily more then anyone needs.

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#169 Apr 21 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good

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Varrus, Ignoring the hilarity of your assertion, it still doesn't change the fact that 200K is easily more then anyone needs.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 1:22pm by Xsarus

No it's not. I need far more.

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#170 REDACTED, Posted: Apr 21 2011 at 12:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) drift,

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No you're exasperated that it's not you who's able to do that. Be honest with yourself. Who are you, or any politician for that matter, to say to what levels of wealth and success a person should be able to rise?

By god I am able to do that. I have saved so much money by not wasting it on useless things. One day, that amount will be large enough for me to take a Philosophy major at a University, or buy a more-than-adequate house, or put my future children through school, or travel the world. I don't need a fancy expensive car, I don't need a huge mansion, I don't need designer clothes. everything I need in life, can be bought for far less than I make.

I'm not trying to say that one shouldn't try to attain whatever level of success they want, I'm saying that success isn't measured by one's possessions, but by their achievements and by the strength of their character.

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I have a news flash most people aren't trying to be financially successful only to have that money stolen from them to support someone some politician thinks needs it more.

Wealth is not success, it can be a factor, but it is not success itself.

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It's thinking like this that is killing the free market. Why not do just the bare minimum if you're not going to be able to reap the fruits of your labour

But I do. I feel that I live a good and fruitful life. Sure, I don't have a BMW, but I walk, I see the wonders of the world as it is, I'm always looking towards the future and the better things to come, but I will always stop here and there just to enjoy what I have. Wealth, fame, power, who needs these things? I have life.

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I wouldn't. Then again i've actually associated with multi-millionaires so I can tell the difference between a single guy making 100k and someone worth 10's of millions.

Do you really think a dual income household with 3 kids earning a total of 200k is rich? Really?

Far richer than the vast majority of people worldwide.

As you mentioned, far richer than the vast majority of America itself. Only 3% make more than that.

I went to the wedding of one such family last summer, actually. It was... disgusting, in a way. They rented out an entire country club building (appropriately called "The Mansion") for the entire afternoon and evening. The entire wedding had to have cost over $50,000. Champagne fountain? Check. Ice sculpture? Check.

My dad looked at my sister and said "I hope you don't expect anything like this. And if you want to elope, that's cool too." Smiley: laugh

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And that's a big reason you're a democrat. You can't see yourself achieving this so you won't; and what's more you want to get back at anyone who does.

Indeed I can see myself achieving that and more. The question at hand is whether I need to in order to lead a rich life.

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And that's a big reason you're a democrat. You can't see yourself achieving this so you won't; and what's more you want to get back at anyone who does.

Indeed I can see myself achieving that and more. The question at hand is whether I need to in order to lead a rich life.

The problem with this post, and your entire approach to the questions in this thread, is that while you seem perfectly happy to have your views and perspectives imposed on the rest of the population, you'll be damned if you'll see the views and perspectives of others imposed or inflicted on you. It is liberal selfishness at its core. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, it is envy. You don't agree with the choices they make so it's ok to limit their ability to do so through confiscatory measures. You don't like the priorities they have so you don't mind a little punitive taxation to make it all right again. That's not liberty. It's understandable given you're a Canadian, but here there are still a great many who value having the option without being punished by jealous masses looking for a handout.

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The problem with this post, and your entire approach to the questions in this thread, is that while you seem perfectly happy to have your views and perspectives imposed on the rest of the population, you'll be damned if you'll see the views and perspectives of others imposed or inflicted on you. It is liberal selfishness at its core. Whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, it is envy. You don't agree with the choices they make so it's ok to limit their ability to do so through confiscatory measures. You don't like the priorities they have so you don't mind a little punitive taxation to make it all right again. That's not liberty. It's understandable given you're a Canadian, but here there are still a great many who value having the option without being punished by jealous masses looking for a handout

The great flaw of being human is that you can't help but want to see the world be the way you want it to be. No one can honestly say that they don't disagree with people with different views. No one can honestly say that they want to see their views adopted as policy. We argue about these things. We all do it. I'm doing it. He's doing it. You're doing it. We are ALL doing it. And it can't be helped. Even the greatest thinkers and philosophers wouldn't be able say differently. The only thing that can be universal is the existence of a viewpoint. What that viewpoint is, is in the eye of the beholder.

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#176 Apr 21 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent

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Driftwood wrote:

The great flaw of being human is that you can't help but want to see the world be the way you want it to be. No one can honestly say that they don't disagree with people with different views. No one can honestly say that they want to see their views adopted as policy. We argue about these things. We all do it. I'm doing it. He's doing it. You're doing it. We are ALL doing it. And it can't be helped. Even the greatest thinkers and philosophers wouldn't be able say differently. The only thing that can be universal is the existence of a viewpoint. What that viewpoint is, is in the eye of the beholder.

And here I thought the great flaw of being human was the frailty of the vessel.

I would never suggest that different viewpoints can't be expressed or even argued. I enjoy telling people they're too stupid to conscientiously breed. Since I am the beholder of your viewpoint you have just conceded the argument to me.

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