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#177 Mar 21 2011 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Paulsol doesn't have an actual alternative, given that so much of his time is devoted to surfing and smoking weed. But it sure is fun to be angry about it while having no ideas!
#178 Mar 21 2011 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Majivo wrote:
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So maybe you should direct your outrage towards those nations who abstained? Two of them had veto power they decided not to express.


You mistake me for someone who actually opposes the "bomb the **** out of Khdaffi's troops" approach.

It's a fair trade, since you mistook him for someone who was actually addressing you with that post.


Hah! That's funny actually. I read that post at a glance and for some reason the "two" at the end of the first line got mixed in my reading somehow and I thought he said "so maybe you two should...". Wacky brain ****.
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#179 Mar 21 2011 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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My outrage is directed at anyone who thinks that peace can be obtained by starting wars.


Somewhat paradoxically, it's the only thing that ever has.
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#180 Mar 21 2011 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Bardalicious wrote:
What would you prefer? A strongly worded letter?


So, what you're saying is that nothing exists between 'a strongly worded letter', and all out assault?

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Paulsol doesn't have an actual alternative, given that so much of his time is devoted to surfing and smoking weed. But it sure is fun to be angry about it while having no ideas!



Yup. Thats me! Though I must admit that the surfing is taking somewhat of a backseat at the moment seeing as how it is getting harder and harder for me to drag myself up the stairs from my moms basement.
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#181 Mar 21 2011 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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paulsol wrote:
Bardalicious wrote:
What would you prefer? A strongly worded letter?


So, what you're saying is that nothing exists between 'a strongly worded letter', and all out assault?
I don't know, you tell me. You're the one that seems to be deeming the current situation an all-out assault when it isn't.
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#182 Mar 22 2011 at 4:27 AM Rating: Default
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We are bombing Libya at the request of the Libyan rebels right?

Or are we pulling an Iraq and bombing Libya because we have finally perfected the technology to read brown people's prayers to god?
#183 Mar 22 2011 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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paulsol wrote:
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And you guys think thats OK?

Doesn't keep me up at night nearly as much as it does you :)



Well....I s'pose he is a Democrat, and as such is definately doing it for all the right reasons.

/warm fuzzies.


Yeah, that's it.

Jesus, this board is more partisan than our government ever thought about being.
#184varusword75, Posted: Mar 22 2011 at 7:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The sad thing is we're likely discussing this issue more than the president who's off in monte carlo or somewhere shooting dice.
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#186 Mar 22 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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I was at the DFAC when CNN announced that this Libyan thing was being called Operation Odyssey Dawn. The first words out of my mouth was "Good to see they're keeping those DADT soldiers busy."

I'm anxiously awaiting Operation Pinkie Pie.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2011 10:45am by lolgaxe
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#187 Mar 22 2011 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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The only problem with this whole Libya affair is that ultimately it gives the protesters in other ME countries the idea that they will get UN support in their revolutions. We know that won't be the case so the US is damned if they do, damned if they dont in the scoring points with the ME bit.

Gadafi is sitting on a ton of oil which gives Libya a free pass to UN aid (some of those EU countries rushing to its aid get their oil from Libya) but ultimately what if other ME countries destabilize? Are we gonna run in guns blazing to "help" them too? We don't even fully know who the rebels are and what their long-term motives are. Anyone can say they love democracy if it means getting free tomahawk missile strikes. The great thing about Egypt was the hands off approach whereas this is bordering on potential nation building.

The Arab Leagues flipflop on "yeah, we support the NFZ" to "woah, NFZs mean things get blown up? We didnt sign up for this" is yet another reason I remain suspicious of this entire affair. The leaders are obviously trying to work both sides of the fence here - appearing to oppose Gadafi while at the same time trying to avoid seeming like they sided with the West on military actions. Gotta score points back home.
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#188 Mar 22 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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SparthosofLakshmi wrote:
but ultimately what if other ME countries destabilize? Are we gonna run in guns blazing to "help" them too? We don't even fully know who the rebels are and what their long-term motives are. Anyone can say they love democracy if it means getting free tomahawk missile strikes. The great thing about Egypt was the hands off approach whereas this is bordering on potential nation building.
One country at a time eh. Establishing a no-fly zone in Libya does not establish precedent that must be followed in other ME countries.

As you say we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. This frees us up to actually act responsibly rather than politically.
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#189 Mar 22 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
I was at the DFAC when CNN announced that this Libyan thing was being called Operation Odyssey Dawn. The first words out of my mouth was "Good to see they're keeping those DADT soldiers busy."

I'm anxiously awaiting Operation Pinkie Pie.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2011 10:45am by lolgaxe


Sounds a bit like an anime title to me. How about Operation Radiant Angel Universe?
#190varusword75, Posted: Mar 22 2011 at 11:43 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#191 Mar 22 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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I was at the DFAC when CNN announced that this Libyan thing was being called Operation Odyssey Dawn.
Why would you want to name a military encounter after a voyage that took 10 years longer than it should have?
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#192 Mar 22 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Bardalicious wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I was at the DFAC when CNN announced that this Libyan thing was being called Operation Odyssey Dawn.
Why would you want to name a military encounter after a voyage that took 10 years longer than it should have?


Because we're learning from the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles...?
#193 Mar 22 2011 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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I was at the DFAC when CNN announced that this Libyan thing was being called Operation Odyssey Dawn.
Why would you want to name a military encounter after a voyage that took 10 years longer than it should have?


Because we're learning from the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles...?
Covert, brutal honesty in the guise of sarcastic, literary references?

My god, it's true, this is the cause of repealing DADT
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#194varusword75, Posted: Mar 22 2011 at 3:12 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tulip,
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#196 Mar 22 2011 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
The sad thing is we're likely discussing this issue more than the president who's off in monte carlo or somewhere shooting dice.

No, he's in Rio for Carnival.
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#197 Mar 22 2011 at 7:21 PM Rating: Good
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Why would you want to name a military encounter after a voyage that took 10 years longer than it should have?


So glad I am not only one who thought this lol.
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#198 Mar 22 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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They weren't debacles while W was in office; you know when the radical muslims actually feared US reprisals.

You mean when they came to Iraq from all around the ME in droves at the opportunity to shoot at Americans? Yeah, that was a real winning situation for us.
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#199varusword75, Posted: Mar 23 2011 at 7:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
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Debo,

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You mean when they came to Iraq from all around the ME in droves at the opportunity to shoot at Americans? Yeah, that was a real winning situation for us


As opposed to them spreading out and taking control of our allies in the region like egypt? While at carnival. While the US is shooting tomahawks while his supposed libya coalition falls apart. And to top it off he's encouraging the brazilians to expand their drilling operations in the gulf.


Jeez, you and my cousin must listen to the exact same talking points, because she posted nutty articles about both of these points yesterday on facebook. I was going to respond to her, and then realized that when an article starts off with "As Rush Limbaugh said yesterday..." you can pretty much only just laugh at the person.

I would like to point out the neat fact that Brazil is self-sufficient for fuel thanks to sugar-cane ethanol (more efficient than our corn ethanol production), so any extra oil they produce they can sell.
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#201 Mar 23 2011 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're two or three weeks into Lent. I'm pretty sure Carnival is long over.

As for "Odyssey Dawn", according to the Al Jazeera live blog:
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More on those operation names. US African Command says "Operation: Odyssey Dawn" has no meaning whatsoever.

Wired magazine reports that the people in charge of naming operations were given a limited option of words to choose from:

“These words begin between the letters JF-JZ, NS-NZ and OA-OF, and those three groups give about 60 some odd words,” explains Africom spokesman Eric Elliott. “So, the folks who were responsible for naming this went through and they had done recent activities with NS and they went to O.”

Using the O series of letters, Africom officials picked out “Odyssey” for the first word. The second word is picked “as random as possible because that’s the goal of these operational names,” says Elliot. Africom pulled out “Dawn” for its second word and the resulting combination, “Odyssey Dawn,” is devoid of any intended meaning, Elliott insists.


Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 10:45am by Jophiel
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