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#302 Mar 29 2011 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent

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Quick what's our mission in Lybia?

Prevent Gaddafi forces from shelling/bombing civilian populations.

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Where's our national interest?

Be on the positive side of pro-democracy forces in the Middle East, a region of vital significance to the United States. Libya represented an option where both the Libyan people and the Arab region were asking for our help.

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#303 Mar 29 2011 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

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I think the president has been very clear in his leadership

Clearly bad.

Quick what's our mission in Lybia? Where's our national interest?

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 11:15am by varusword75

Lybia? Our mission in Libya was Protecting civilians.

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#304 Mar 29 2011 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent

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In even simpler terms, our mission is to enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973.

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#306 Mar 29 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent

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And who determines whether they're civilians or radical muslim organizations?

This is the best you can do?

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And you still didn't answer what our national interest is there.

Sure I did. You just didn't like the answer.

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#307 REDACTED, Posted: Mar 29 2011 at 11:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#308 Mar 29 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent

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Sorry saving the idigenous peoples of wherever just doesn't cut it as a reason for war; especially with what N Korea and Iran are doing to their civilian population.

So you're saying you just didn't comprehend what I said. Well, no surprise there.

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And yes confirming whether or not these "rebels" are in fact members of Al-quaida should be on the top of the list.

UN Security Council Resolution 1973 isn't about the rebels, it's about the civilian population.

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#309 Mar 29 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent

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gbaji wrote:

I haven't been wrong about anything Joph.

You're so not wrong that you don't even need to bother citing sources or using facts to support your claims? That's a certain degree of impressive.

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#310 Mar 29 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent

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Notice how both of them abruptly shut up about the oil thing? :D

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#311 REDACTED, Posted: Mar 29 2011 at 11:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#312 Mar 29 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good

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Wait, wasn't Virus the one always going on about "removing the evil dictator from Iraq"? Apparently it only counts when a Republican does it...

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#313 Mar 29 2011 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

Elinda,

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I think the president has been very clear in his leadership

Clearly bad.

Quick what's our mission in Lybia? Where's our national interest?

Edited, Mar 29th 2011 11:15am by varusword75

Cheap energy, and developing regional partners, as usual.

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#315 Mar 29 2011 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent

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Actually you refused to respond to this.

I did respond. Salazar said it should have a minimum impact on production as there are large leases still sitting untapped in the Gulf.

I previously cited an article when I wrote:

[Salazar] dismissed concerns that the decision will seriously damage efforts to further develop domestic energy resources, noting that roughly 29 million acres already under leases in the Gulf have not yet been developed.

A fact you drive home with your second quote so... thanks, I guess.

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#316 REDACTED, Posted: Mar 29 2011 at 1:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#317 Mar 29 2011 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent

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Yeah, if I was proven to be completely wrong again and again, I'd be tempted to just start saying "Lalalalala!! I can't hear you!! Doesn't count!! Lalalala!!!" as well.

Fortunately, I've spent this thread proving you chuckleheads wrong instead so I haven't had to worry about it.

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#319 Mar 29 2011 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good

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varusword75 wrote:

What i've proved...

No doubt. Quite a bulletproof argument you've constructed. I mean, the academic rigor behind it is astounding!

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#320 Mar 29 2011 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent

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varusword75 wrote:

What i've proved is that despite what Obamas cronies, like Salazar, say banning drilling in the gulf, atlantic, and pacific will hurt US oil production.

And you've proved this by using numbers collected by the Obama administration designed to show that it won't, in fact, actually hurt US oil production. The numbers designating how much oil and gas are sitting in untapped reserves on lands already leased to energy companies.

Brilliant!

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#321 REDACTED, Posted: Mar 29 2011 at 2:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,

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#322 Mar 29 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

Notice how both of them abruptly shut up about the oil thing? :D

Huh? I went home for the night and have been working today and came back to find 20 someodd more posts in a threat that had been pretty much turning into you arguing my own position for me.

Look... Joph. I already conceded the point. The oil subsidies for exploration are a tiny and insignificant amount, thus proving my position that US subsidies aren't a significant factor in increasing domestic oil production as you had previously suggested. We're kinda done on that one, aren't we?

Don't be modest, now. You were right! How does it feel? ;)

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#323 Mar 29 2011 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent

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Don't be modest, now. You were right! How does it feel? ;)

You forgot to mention that oil production has increased year-to-year for every month that Obama has been in office after experiencing drops in the two years before that (...maybe further but I stopped looking).

You say I was arguing your point for you but I guess your point must have been "I have no complaints about domestic oil production since Obama took office". Glad to see we're on the same page.

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#324 Mar 29 2011 at 3:32 PM Rating: Excellent

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Somewhat relevant link - http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/the-real-reason-gas-prices-are-soaring/19893347/?icid=maing|main5|dl4|sec1_lnk3|52083

Not about production really, but pricing.

What do you guys think? I don't know jack **** about this stuff, but if this is true it kind of pisses me off.

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#325 Mar 29 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Default

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Jophiel wrote:

gbaji wrote:

Don't be modest, now. You were right! How does it feel? ;)

You forgot to mention that oil production has increased year-to-year for every month that Obama has been in office after experiencing drops in the two years before that (...maybe further but I stopped looking).

Sure! Because oil production turns on a dime and minor variations of said production have nothing at all to do with current oil prices.

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You say I was arguing your point for you but I guess your point must have been "I have no complaints about domestic oil production since Obama took office". Glad to see we're on the same page.

Except the issue was about what Obama is specifically doing to affect said production. Are you arguing that the Democrats lied during the 2006, 2008, and 2010 campaigns when they opposed making changes to help increase domestic oil production? Or maybe, they didn't make such changes at all, but because of other factors oil production just happened to increase over the last couple years?

I'm assuming the latter, but you're more than free to show what legislative and/or regulatory changes the Democrats have put in place over the last 2-4 years which caused this recent boom (ok, more like slight increase) in domestic production.

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#326 Mar 29 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent

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gbaji wrote:

Sure! Because oil production turns on a dime and minor variations of said production have nothing at all to do with current oil prices.

Wow, a two year dime is pretty huge. Who knew that Obama's reign of terror over the oil industry would take over 26 months to come to fruition?

Grasping for straws? Understandable.

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I'm assuming the latter, but you're more than free to show...

No, no... this was your and Varus's little baby, remember? Obama is sooooo against domestic production. I'm pointing to the reality of the fact that domestic production has only gone up since Obama took office. But keep on making those excuses while you stomp your feet and insist that he's really, really against it.

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