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#352 Apr 07 2011 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
I had heard on the radio that most likely anything that has to do with defense (including the troops) would still get paid as usual.
#353 Apr 07 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm sure Congress will pass a resolution that they don't get paid. It'd be too easy to attack anyone cashing a check.
I would like to believe that, but honestly? Chances are they have direct pay and their money is just put into their account regularly. It would be nice to believe that since they fucked up they should suffer as well, but even if the resolution should pass, there will probably be a passage stating that once its all said and done they'll just get the pay in a future check.

They're not going to suffer, in the least. I just hope that someone in that giant building full of fucktards has the sense that the government workers losing out on pay will similarly get the money in future checks. But, if it isn't obvious, my faith in either party is nonexistent.
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#354 Apr 07 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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I just hope that someone in that giant building full of fucktards has the sense that the government workers losing out on pay will similarly get the money in future checks. But, if it isn't obvious, my faith in either party is nonexistent.


I also heard in the same radio program that the last time a shut down happened, people were given back pay.
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I would like to believe that, but honestly? Chances are they have direct pay and their money is just put into their account regularly. It would be nice to believe that since they fucked up they should suffer as well, but even if the resolution should pass, there will probably be a passage stating that once its all said and done they'll just get the pay in a future check.

Nah, they'll lose the pay because it's a cheap way to show how they feel your pain. No one in Congress is a paycheck away from foreclosure or bankruptcy. The potential cost of it being revealed that they never lost the money is greater than actually missing a paycheck.

For whatever it's worth, I feel your pain since my family will be directly impacted by a government shutdown as well.
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#356 Apr 07 2011 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I had heard on the radio that most likely anything that has to do with defense (including the troops) would still get paid as usual.
They'll get paid till April 15th, and if the budget isn't approved they won't get the second half on the end of the month. However, they will get back pay for the week or two until its all settled. However, from what I understand parts won't be paid out, like BAH which, depending on where you live and family and such, can be up to $3,000 a month.

Either way, there are more than people in the military that need the money.
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No one in Congress is a paycheck away from foreclosure or bankruptcy.
Not according to Sean Duffy. Smiley: laugh

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 11:45am by lolgaxe
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The GOP is submitting a CR that'd fund the military through Sept...

...with a policy rider regarding abortion in Washington DC. Because they're just that serious about wanting to see the troops get paid.
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#359 Apr 07 2011 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Giggle. George Carlin said it best. Congress wants more live babies to make into dead soldiers.
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The GOP Pledge to America wrote:
Advance Legislative Issues One at a Time: We will end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with “must-pass” legislation to circumvent the will of the American people. Instead, we will advance major legislation one issue at a time.

It's the hypocrisy that makes it so funny. And sad.
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#361 Apr 07 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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The GOP Pledge to America wrote:
Advance Legislative Issues One at a Time: We will end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with “must-pass” legislation to circumvent the will of the American people. Instead, we will advance major legislation one issue at a time.
It's the hypocrisy that makes it so funny. And sad.
I hope Anthony Weiner is planning to go on the floor of the house to read that to the speaker.
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#363 Apr 07 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Except that this totally can get done, no problem. So they're not even trying.
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#364 Apr 07 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
The GOP Pledge to America wrote:
Advance Legislative Issues One at a Time: We will end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with “must-pass” legislation to circumvent the will of the American people. Instead, we will advance major legislation one issue at a time.
It's the hypocrisy that makes it so funny. And sad.
I hope Anthony Weiner is planning to go on the floor of the house to read that to the speaker.


Now now, surely keeping the government running isn't "major legislation." I mean, it's just a few billion dollars, right?
#365 Apr 07 2011 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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It's the hypocrisy that makes it so funny. And sad.


lol...kind of like promising to do something you know can't be done, gitmo.


Could always close it and just release these illegally detained prisoners back into the world. But of course then you would complain about that instead. Ironically it is funny that you are ragging on this "broken" promise, yet the GOP in general seems to be quite content with the fact these "fugitives" are going to be tried. You are funny, I like lunch time in =4, so glad my computer is fixed.
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#366 Apr 07 2011 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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lol...kind of like promising to do something you know can't be done,
Are we pretending only one side of the aisle does that?
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#367 Apr 07 2011 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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I hope Anthony Weiner is planning to go on the floor of the house to read that to the speaker.


I saw a funny segment on The Daily Show from him. He was saying, "I'll make the ***** jokes around here. And Boehner? Seriously? Should my name be pronounced Way-nor?

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The difference being when members of the GOP get caught going back on their word they get un-elected

So you won't vote for any of the Tenn. GOP congressional delegation? Because they're all breaking their pledge right now.
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#371 Apr 07 2011 at 3:39 PM Rating: Default
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So we have lots of quotes from liberals claiming that everyone is in agreement, but I still don't see a single one from Boehner saying it. It looks to me like the Dems jumped the gun, proclaimed their proposal to be the one everyone agreed to, shoved that assumption in front of the media, and when the GOP responded with "Wait a minute! We didn't agree to that at all", the Dems are attempting to pretend that because they said it was agreed upon, the GOP has to stick with it.

Wow, you're charmingly naive and easily trained. Boehner had a week to actively push back against the $33B number.


Huh? The only people talking about that number were the Dems Joph. I'm not sure why you insist on reading more into this than "This is the number the Dems wanted so they told the media that's the number they were working towards".

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He didn't until the next week when he was getting castigated by his own party. You won't be able to find a single source (including Boehner's aides or GOP people actually in the talks) saying any different number.


No source? Except perhaps H.R. 1, in which the number was 61B, right? You're still failing to get that this was the "starting point" of negotiations. Boehner doesn't need to run to the media to tell them what his number is since hs and the House already provided that figure.

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Know why? Because there was no different number.


Of course there was. You just want to ignore it.

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Oh, and the March 29 article plainly states that the GOP was coming into the negotiations asking for $36B with the Democrats asking for $30B.


Lol! You are being incredibly naive and cherry picking numbers now. The GOP proposed dropping their number from 61B to 36B *if* that 36B included certain guarantees (like the cuts to the NEA, NPR, and Planned Parenthood which have kinda been part of the whole topic as well). That was the compromise Joph. "We'll drop the number to 36 if you agree to allow these specific cuts". The Dems clearly rejected that, but then insisted on using that 36B number as though it had been offered with no other conditions. And now they're trying to play like it's all super fair to split the difference between that number and their starting number of 30B and arrive at a "compromise" of 33B.


Surely even you can see how that's BS. If there are no conditions, then the compromise needs to be between 61B and 30B, not 36B and 30B as the Dems are trying to get away with. That's why the GOP came back with the insistence on those riders in the bill. They're willing to drop the total number into that range but only if those specific cuts are included. That was and is the only way any number in the 30B range has been considered by the GOP.

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The same numbers are backed up in the March 30 article from The Hill. The $33B was the compromise between the two of them.


Lol! Sucker.
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#372 Apr 07 2011 at 3:47 PM Rating: Default
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Sure. Democrats want no cuts, but brought 30b in cuts to the table. GOP campaigned on 100b in cuts, then said 61b is the actual amount, then brought 36b to the table. 33b is right in the middle, a compromise.


Lol! That's not what happened. That's the fairy tale the Dems are trying to pretend happened. So you think that the GOP just dropped their number from the 61B figure they passed in H.R. 1 down to 36 just because they felt like it? Try actually engaging the brain for a moment instead of just engaging in wishful thinking. I'm sure lots of numbers were bandied about during negotiations. That's why they're called "negotiations". What the Dems are doing is taking the lowest number that ever came out of a Republicans mouth, ignoring all other conditions related to that number, and pretending that that number is somehow the starting point of the GOP negotiations.


Again. stop and think about this. It makes no sense.

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If Boehner went with it, that would instantly go to the senate, likely be passed, and Obama would sign no problem. You disagree?


What do you think that proves? If the GOP gives the Dems exactly what they want, they'll agree with it? Wow! You're like some kind of negotiating genius right there.

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Ideology aside, losing popular support when you need it to be elected and actually wield political power is never a good thing for a party.


This is not 1996. All the experts predicting that it will be worse for the GOP than the Dems if this impasse isn't resolved are basing that on what happened in 1996. Today is very different. The average american is much much more directly aware of the economic problems we've got going on right now and are much more likely to associate our debt to those problems. In 1996, the debt level was high, but all other economic indicators were in good shape. People didn't feel the effect of the debt, so shutting down the government over debt didn't resonate with them.


I think it's a grave mistake to assume the public reaction will be the same today.
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#373 Apr 07 2011 at 3:53 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
The GOP Pledge to America wrote:
Advance Legislative Issues One at a Time: We will end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with “must-pass” legislation to circumvent the will of the American people. Instead, we will advance major legislation one issue at a time.

It's the hypocrisy that makes it so funny. And sad.


Huh? It's a budget legislation and the issue is "funding" for abortion clinics which would otherwise be included in said budget. I'm not sure how or why you think the two are unrelated. Now, if they attempt to drop an amendment blocking funding for abortion in an energy bill, you'll have a point.
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#374 Apr 07 2011 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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If Boehner went with it, that would instantly go to the senate, likely be passed, and Obama would sign no problem. You disagree?


What do you think that proves? If the GOP gives the Dems exactly what they want, they'll agree with it? Wow! You're like some kind of negotiating genius right there.

It proves that varus was full of shit for saying Obama won't sign anything. Which was the point I was responding to? I'm not Joph, I didn't reply to your twisted logic. Varus is just fun to knock down. Cathartic.

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Ideology aside, losing popular support when you need it to be elected and actually wield political power is never a good thing for a party.


This is not 1996. All the experts predicting that it will be worse for the GOP than the Dems if this impasse isn't resolved are basing that on what happened in 1996. Today is very different. The average american is much much more directly aware of the economic problems we've got going on right now and are much more likely to associate our debt to those problems. In 1996, the debt level was high, but all other economic indicators were in good shape. People didn't feel the effect of the debt, so shutting down the government over debt didn't resonate with them.


I think it's a grave mistake to assume the public reaction will be the same today.

Ok, we'll see how it goes then Smiley: nod

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 6:08pm by LockeColeMA
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Lol! You are being incredibly naive and cherry picking numbers now. The GOP proposed dropping their number from 61B to 36B *if* that 36B included certain guarantees (like the cuts to the NEA, NPR, and Planned Parenthood which have kinda been part of the whole topic as well).

I'm not interested in spoon-feeding your ignorance any longer so you go ahead just believing whatever your little radio friends tell you.
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#376 Apr 07 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Decent
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