You're the one who seems to think those things matter. I'm making a more general observation about how the public will view the issue. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how the house arrived at the bill they passed with its 61 Billion in cuts, or what various conversations members of both parties in the Senate have had along the way. If there is a shutdown, all the public will see is that the Dems refused to cut even a measly 61B from the budget. In the context of the massive spending they've done over the last few years and the massive amount the budget is already over, that's what's going to matter.
You do get that by *not* paying attention at all to what the wonks are saying and just looking at the situation at hand, I'm more likely to see the issue as the public will see it than you are, right? What I see is the Dems unwilling to compromise on what certainly appears to be a relatively tiny amount of money for things that arguably shouldn't be funded with taxpayer money in the first place. The rest of the back and forth which you seem to think is so important isn't really going to enter most people's thought process on this.
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King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
You're the one who seems to think those things matter.
Yeah. I'm such an elitist thinking that facts are something good to have when debating a point. Good call.
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I'm making a more general observation...
...based on your admitted complete ignorance and, really, just basically what you really, really wish will happen.
Look, I think it's great for you that you've convinced yourself that ignorance is the way to go. For one thing, it reinforces that I don't have to take you seriously. For another, maybe you're happier this way. The part where you try to insist that it's superior to drawing a conclusion based on facts is a little weird but I'm guessing you've already established that a fact-based argument isn't going to work in your favor so an anti-intellectual approach is the best thing you have going.
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I'm more likely to see the issue as the public will see it
You're definitely my go-to guy for unbiased, non-ideological thinking.
Edited, Apr 1st 2011 6:19pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Usually my mom. She's a pretty good "man on the street" barometer.
She NAILED the "I was leaning towards McCain until he brought that idiot Palin on board" thing.
She NAILED the "I was leaning towards McCain until he brought that idiot Palin on board" thing.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
yeah you're moms a stupid wh*re, like most liberal women.
I have no idea why you think it's ok to say **** like this. I guess because everyone here thinks we need you to keep the blood flowing. It's disgusting.
varusword75 wrote:
you're moms a stupid wh*re
Now, now... don't get all saucy just because a 61 year old middle class white woman is more politically adept than you.
Also, she knows how to properly use the possessive form of "you" and apostrophes to show contractions.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
LMAO...yeah you're moms a stupid wh*re, like most liberal women
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Trying to push buttons is all Varus has left.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Thing is, we've seen all his tricks.
I dunno, Nadenu, Forum=4 mom remarks are pretty innovative.
Wait.. what? It's not 2004? Never mind then.
In other news, Boehner is caving to the Tea Party and denying that he was reaching any agreement on the budget.
In other, other news, Obama started his re-election campaign today so I'm one step closer to my fifty bucks.
Wait.. what? It's not 2004? Never mind then.
In other news, Boehner is caving to the Tea Party and denying that he was reaching any agreement on the budget.
In other, other news, Obama started his re-election campaign today so I'm one step closer to my fifty bucks.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Trying to push buttons is all Varus has left.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
bsphil wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Trying to push buttons is all Varus has left.
He keeps pounding that big shiny brass button but fails to realize that it is the doorknob.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Jophiel wrote:
Usually my mom. She's a pretty good "man on the street" barometer.
She NAILED the "I was leaning towards McCain until he brought that idiot Palin on board" thing.
She NAILED the "I was leaning towards McCain until he brought that idiot Palin on board" thing.
Now Joph, should you really be using the term "nailed" in reference to your own mother??
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
Now Joph, should you really be using the term "nailed" in reference to your own mother??
Yeah, he was coming into a hairy situation there. That's a whole mess of innuendo you wouldn't want to enter. One errant word and he'd **** it up. And if she were to accidentally read that comment I bet she'd stroke out.
LA-LA-LA I can't HEAR you!
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
It's all there is.
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Trying to push buttons is all Varus has left.
It's all there is.
But, the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem, so there's that at least.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
If no one debated with me, then I wouldn't post here anymore.
gbaji wrote:
I'm not getting my news from anywhere Joph.
Jophiel wrote:
Trying to push buttons is all Varus has left.
Try harder, v.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
varusword75 wrote:
Debo,
The editorial "trying".
The editorial "trying".
They still suck from what I hear.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Well, the Speaker of the House should start calling Gbaji and asking for his political advice because he seems to have a different opinion.
Boehner's one-week continuing resolution was shot down by pretty much everyone and he's increasingly feeling the pinch. He made the completely asinine statement the other day that he wouldn't pass a budget that couldn't get 218 Republican votes, brushing off promises by Democratic leaders that they could provide votes to cover for hard-right defections and allow a bipartisan compromise to pass.
Political Wire wrote:
House Speaker John Boehner is warning Republican lawmakers that Democrats would "win" politically if there's a government shutdown "and the GOP would suffer a political catastrophe if the federal government runs out of money at the end of this week," Politico reports.
Said Boehner: "The Democrats think they benefit from a government shutdown. I agree."
Said Boehner: "The Democrats think they benefit from a government shutdown. I agree."
Boehner's one-week continuing resolution was shot down by pretty much everyone and he's increasingly feeling the pinch. He made the completely asinine statement the other day that he wouldn't pass a budget that couldn't get 218 Republican votes, brushing off promises by Democratic leaders that they could provide votes to cover for hard-right defections and allow a bipartisan compromise to pass.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I feel a little sorry for Boehner these days. He's on the hot seat, no doubt.
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