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#477 Mar 21 2011 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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Still, it contributes to the genocide of the White race, which makes me sad.


Yeeaaah, interracial marriage isn't genocide, Einstein.
We were getting to be a bit too white anyways.
That would be a result of the fact that even though the ginger gene is recessive, it can't be wiped out...


...because gingers reproduce by "budding".

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God I wish that were true. It would have been a lot less painful.


Smiley: lol


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I do NOT hate non-Whites. I simply love my race and am proud of all it has accomplished.

I wonder why "Black Pride", "Asian Pride", and "Latino Pride" are okay, but "White Pride" is evil?


It's got a stigma, and I'll admit that it can sometimes be unwarranted. It's certainly possible to just be proud of one's white heritage w/o racism entering the picture.

But I will say this: legitimate feelings of pride in one's heritage have jack-squat to do with the stuff you seem to subscribe to. Advocating racial separation, denouncing interracial marriage, and the rest of the BS you're spewing go way, way beyond innocent pride.

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#478 Mar 21 2011 at 11:43 PM Rating: Good
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Because Black Pride et. al is a response to white power/privilege, while white power/privilege perpetuates the status-quo, keeps whites in charge, & keeps minorities down.


and white power was a response to the carpetbagging yankees and freed n*ggers that were running wild raping and pillaging southern white families. Bet you didn't study that in your govn texts.





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#479 Mar 22 2011 at 12:34 AM Rating: Good
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Side note:.. So, I'm currently doing a pit stop in Korea on my trip and I'm browsing through their music cable selection and saw "black music"... I laughed and thought about this thread.
#480 Mar 22 2011 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jazz used to be called "race music", so there ya go.

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I still don't see poor Whites having as many childeren as poor Blacks, nor by as many partners.


I second the comment that you haven't hung out much in the more rural areas of the country. Not just the south.

Here's how it breaks down: educated people tend to defer marriage and childbirth by as much as ten years. This is always true. The net effect is that power and wealth tend to concentrate in families with relatively fewer children (no pun intended). The more you have, the more opportunities your kids have to make the most of their gifts; hence, the "smarter" and more poised they are.

It's hardly surprising that kids who have been starved from birth in sub-Saharan famines don't test all that well. Your source, whatever it is, is heartless and brutal and self-serving.

I'm neither proud nor guilty about my heritage. What I mostly am is thankful that I had it relatively easy.
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#482 Mar 22 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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And just think we vote for the same people. The day just keeps getting better.


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#483 Mar 22 2011 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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well you know us poor uneducated irish immigrant folk had bigger fish to fry at that time, you know the kind that shot arrows.


I get it, racism has run in you're family for many years. But, in 30 odd on years you'll be in the minority & America will be a better place for it.

On a side note, I suppose it's certainly a remote possibility that your family's been in this country back when indians were a real threat to settlers, odds are they actually immigrated here either in the mid 1800s (around the time of the potato famine) or last century. This is something that's well covered if you've been educated in or around the Boston area. Smiley: schooled
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Try being a mosaic instead of a melting pot.




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Ok, I am genuinely curious: how does one stop such a trend? The more children a person has, the more their resources are divided meaning the cycle seems to be self-perpetuating.


Education, contraception, & social programs help.

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My views have been completely misunderstood again. Believe me, I would love to see ALL races do good for themselves and succeed. I just think they could accomplish this better separately, in societies formed by themselves that take into account their unique cultural and ethinc backgrounds, strengths, and weaknesses, rather than trying to homogenize and squeeze everyone into the same mold.


Where is everyone being squeezed into the same mold? "American Culture" IS a blend of culture's from around the world. "White" American Culture is weird though because white people aren't native to America, which is a REALLY young country when compared to the rest of the world, so most white people embrace their ancestor's cultures (Irish, Italian, British, et. al). But at the same time, no white American, even if they identify with the culture, who was born in this country is actually Irish, Italian, or British: They're American.

Just like any & every minority born in this country is also American.

Everyone, of every race or religion, has a right to make a life for them in this country & I honestly don't know how you could think that by minorities remaining separate from white's would help them succeed here. Often times, especially in urban environments, minorities all ready group together & in no way does it help them get ahead. Instead, most of the time, it continues the same self-perpetuating cycle that befalls the predominately white trailer trash in this country.


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I believe in diversity, but I think the "melting pot" is just the opposite of diversity. Diversity celebrates what is unique about each people and culture. The "melting pot", on the other hand, just mixes everything together in one mass, eliminating uniqueness and difference. Instead of encouraging people to embrace their own ancestrial culture, the "melting pot" says you can choose whatever culture you want. People thus lose their sense of heritage, and just go with whatever is popular at the moment.


My kids will identify as Americans, of japanese & french canadian decent. Their culture will be American, they'll have "Aemrican" first names, a japanese middle name, & an (undecided- just like whether or not she'll let me attempt to save their souls from "original sin", not that I actually believe it exists but just in case I'm wrong!) last name. They'll learn about their great grandfather on my side that fought in the pacific during WWII, their great grandmother on my side who was the daughter of a french canadian member of parliament, & about their great grandparents on her side who met in an internment camp during WWII. They'll celebrate & learn about their heritage & ancestral culture, but will always be an American: not because "it's popular at the moment" but because it's who they'll be.
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I could tell you a thing or two about our families history in east tn; but I won't.


How about just when they immigrated?

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#488 Mar 22 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Try being a mosaic instead of a melting pot.




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Mosaic has a more cultured ring to it than tossed salad, but the meaning is the same. The thing is, you're talking about people. They'll do what's best for themselves.

Take a neighborhood in, say, Boston. It originally was populated largely by the Irish. They retained their Irish traditions accordingly even though they were no longer in Ireland. A generation or two later the neighborhood, for whatever reason, has settled an Ethiopian population.

Should these two 'categories' of peeps not embrace each other, not love them, marry them, ***** them and make babies with them. Should they not share favorite recipes and retain the ones that are tastiest and/or most nutritional based on the ingredients and cooking methods now available. Should they not share the news about the barbershop on 7th and 45th that does haircuts for half-price on Tuesdays because their haircuts might start looking the same. Should they not celebrate together, learn together, play together and legislate together. Should the Irish not allow the Ethiopians to bury their dead in the local cemetery. Should they not share worship. Should you or I get to claim that there is one traditional 'right' way for each group to live and behave based on their ancestry so that we all might preserve some over-all racial heritage?

That's silly.

You can call a group of people a tile in a mosaic and claim that the mosaic is ruined if this tile bleeds into the next, or you could the claim that each individual is it's own tile and the best most creative artist makes each individual tile work with those around it to create a pleasing piece of art.

We will lose traditions and cultures. New traditions and cultures will arise. Will they be race based? Some maybe, others maybe not.

Social evolution is not going to stand still no matter how we try and classify and categorize it.

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#490 Mar 22 2011 at 11:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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You place way too much importance on the colour of people's skins.
#491 Mar 22 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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You place way too much importance on the colour of people's skins.


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#492 Mar 22 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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But at the same time, no white American, even if they identify with the culture, who was born in this country is actually Irish, Italian, or British: They're American.


Sorry, no. Irish, Italian, and British are not just nationalities. They are also ethnicities. American is not an ethnicity.

We all started somewhere.

The Irish came mostly from Scotland. Is their ethnicity Irish or Scottish?

What makes American less ethnic that the other countries you mentioned?
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What the hell is "American" culture? I identify a culture with an ethnicity, not a nation. Nationality and ethnicity/culture are two different things. As "American" is not an ethnicity, I fail to see how one can clearly define "American culture".


Then you identify wrong. You're the type that sees things in black and white (pun intended) way too much for your own good.

American culture is the combination of a multitude of world cultures that have immigrated from all over the place to become one gelatinous culture.

Culture is learned. You can be black, grow up in asia and make asian traditions your own. Really, this old idea that babies are born with their racial culture pre-programmed is just ancient and silly. It's just not that simple. Yeah, some cultures are hostile to outsiders but that is what makes America unique in contrast to other parts of the world.

Anyway, back to American culture. From the various cultures that immigrated here, we have taken many small bits of culture to create our own collective american culture. Things like our work ethic which has roots in religion right up to that pork fried rice that you order at the mom 'n pop chinese store are all borrowed from other cultures and made uniquely our own by being here.

To make this stupidly simple, football is american culture. People of all races play it but it remains uniquely american.

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Baron von ShadorVIII wrote:
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Culture is learned. You can be black, grow up in asia and make asian traditions your own.


I dunno, somehow I have a hard time pictuing a black person in a kimono, or kneeling at a Shinto shrine.
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Mosaic has a more cultured ring to it than tossed salad, but the meaning is the same.
Mosaic carries an assumption that things are working together whereas melting pot/tossed salad implies forced upon each other. It's more than a "cultured ring to it."
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#498 Mar 22 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry, no. Irish, Italian, and British are not just nationalities. They are also ethnicities. American is not an ethnicity.


This is where you're wrong. "English" is both a nationality & a culture, but their ethnicity is caucasion. Many white Americans are of British decent, but unless they became citizens in the USA later in life their culture would be American. Culture & nationality come from environment, not from ones race. A black man born in England will be just as British as a white man born in England would be & the same goes here.

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That's what I meant. I meant separate nations. Granted, I have no idea how to do this. I will admit, we Whites @#%^ed up. We should never have had slavery (wrong from both a moral and from a racial/cultural separation view). Really we should have left the Americas to the natives and stayed in Europe, where we belonged. But, it's a little hard to undo now.


America is a country of all races & religions and that diversity makes American unique. You fancy yourself some sort of "white separatist", yet if it wasn't for the various races, religions, & cultures America wouldn't be or have become what it is. Diversity is what makes America great, so can you see why you're getting such a visceral reaction to your views? Not only are they grossly naive (Segregation v2.0 is a HORRID idea you twat), it's racist.
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What the hell is "American" culture? I identify a culture with an ethnicity, not a nation. Nationality and ethnicity/culture are two different things. As "American" is not an ethnicity, I fail to see how one can clearly define "American culture".


American Football is a pretty good example of American culture, turning on the TV will give you an insight to many other examples. I take it you've never traveled outside the USA. If, for example, you went to Ireland & told an Irishman that you're Irish, he'd laugh at you. An Irishman would consider you an American (Or "Yank", which is their slang term for us). Culture does not come from ethnicity, again, it comes from ones environment.

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Try being a mosaic instead of a melting pot.




My favourite quote from Elderon
Mosaic has a more cultured ring to it than tossed salad, but the meaning is the same. The thing is, you're talking about people. They'll do what's best for themselves.



When I read "mosaic," I picture the ridiculous censorship rules for Japanese **** and hentai. I'll stay with my melting pot salad and lack of sexual innuendos, thank you! Mosaics ruin the fun Smiley: mad

Edit: My salad happens to be the Charlie Sheen variety. Just a tomato.

That crunches like an apple.

WINNING!

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When I read "mosaic," I picture the ridiculous censorship rules for Japanese **** and hentai. I'll stay with my melting pot salad and lack of sexual innuendos, thank you! Mosaics ruin the fun Smiley: mad
A mosaic is something of beauty, not the horror you just described. Stop gbajiing up words.
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