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#52 Feb 10 2011 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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He's just filled with self-loathing because he didn't have the balls to hit back.
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#53 Feb 10 2011 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Fine, you win. The people that made that commercial should be strung up.


I just think that they could have made a better, less stupid commercial. Maybe one that doesn't involve spousal abuse.
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It wasn't particularly funny, but it wasn't offensive, either. They have 30 seconds to get their point across. The point (aside from "Pepsi Max has zero calories") was that the wife wants the husband to keep in shape, but doesn't like that him being in shape means other women flirt with him. I suppose they could make a five minute movie explaining that, but this did the job in 30 seconds. I'll take this over the diaper commercial where the cartoon babies try to make a poo American Idol style.

To suggest that Pepsi is advocating any violence is like saying that Groupon wants the rain forests raped and Tibet to remain a hot mess. It's a **** commercial. No one has to like it, but railing against it just gives it more power than it should have, gives Pepsi Max more attention than it would otherwise get, and gets more people to watch the commercial than ever would have.
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Maybe one that doesn't involve spousal abuse.


What?!? The only person "abused" in that **** commercial was the blond. The rest of it was just a jab at dieting.

I laughed at the ad the first time through. It's a slight exaggerated look on a married couple that happens everyday in real life that isn't considered abuse.
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Maybe one that doesn't involve spousal abuse.


What?!? The only person "abused" in that **** commercial was the blond. The rest of it was just a jab at dieting.


You get that she's trying to throw the can at her husband, right? She wasn't aiming for the blonde.
#57 Feb 10 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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What?!? The only person "abused" in that **** commercial was the blond. The rest of it was just a jab at dieting.

I laughed at the ad the first time through. It's a slight exaggerated look on a married couple that happens everyday in real life that isn't considered abuse.


Well it should be. What right does she have to control his diet? That's his job and none of her business. Anything a significant other does to impede free will is abuse in my opinion. If the guy, who is already in better than fine shape wants to a **** cheeseburger, he can have a **** cheeseburger.

Why is it normal for a married man to be told what he can and can't do by his wife, but, and I'm not taking the side of the fictional person I'm about to mention, but it's a form of control and abuse for a married woman to be told what she can and can't do by her husband?

I'm just saying it's sort of a double standard. Neither party should ever have that sort of control over the other.
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What?!? The only person "abused" in that **** commercial was the blond. The rest of it was just a jab at dieting.

I laughed at the ad the first time through. It's a slight exaggerated look on a married couple that happens everyday in real life that isn't considered abuse.


Well it should be. What right does she have to control his diet? That's his job and none of her business. Anything a significant other does to impede free will is abuse in my opinion. If the guy, who is already in better than fine shape wants to a **** cheeseburger, he can have a **** cheeseburger.

Why is it normal for a married man to be told what he can and can't do by his wife, but, and I'm not taking the side of the fictional person I'm about to mention, but it's a form of control and abuse for a married woman to be told what she can and can't do by her husband?

I'm just saying it's sort of a double standard. Neither party should ever have that sort of control over the other.
Gee maybe because she cares about him, loves him and doesn't want to see him keel over from a heart attack at 49. Or maybe, he asked for her help because he REALLY wanted to lose some weight and knew his willpower alone might not be up for it. Controlling, caring, it's what couples do.

Yeah, you still don't get it.
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Gee maybe because she cares about him, loves him and doesn't want to see him keel over from a heart attack at 49. Or maybe, he asked for her help because he REALLY wanted to lose some weight and knew his willpower alone might not be up for it. Controlling, caring, it's what couples do.

Yeah, you still don't get it.


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You get that she's trying to throw the can at her husband, right? She wasn't aiming for the blonde.


Yes, I do get it. That was the funny part of the commercial though. As far as "spousal abuse" goes I don't get that.

Helping a loved one to keep to a diet (or to quit smoking/drinking/surfing for porn)doesn't equate to "controlling" let alone "abuse".



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#60 Feb 10 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why is it normal for a married man to be told what he can and can't do by his wife, but, and I'm not taking the side of the fictional person I'm about to mention, but it's a form of control and abuse for a married woman to be told what she can and can't do by her husband?

I'm just saying it's sort of a double standard. Neither party should ever have that sort of control over the other.

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You get that she's trying to throw the can at her husband, right? She wasn't aiming for the blonde.

You get that he was making a joke, right?
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Well it should be. What right does she have to control his diet? That's his job and none of her business. Anything a significant other does to impede free will is abuse in my opinion. If the guy, who is already in better than fine shape wants to a **** cheeseburger, he can have a **** cheeseburger.

God damn, you really were damaged by your last relationship. This is the only possible lens you can see it through? I'm sure you laugh at hundreds of things that would be considered more offensive than this commercial, but because this is your personal pet peeve you have to rage about this particular one.

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What?!? The only person "abused" in that **** commercial was the blond. The rest of it was just a jab at dieting.

I laughed at the ad the first time through. It's a slight exaggerated look on a married couple that happens everyday in real life that isn't considered abuse.


Well it should be. What right does she have to control his diet? That's his job and none of her business. Anything a significant other does to impede free will is abuse in my opinion. If the guy, who is already in better than fine shape wants to a **** cheeseburger, he can have a **** cheeseburger.

Why is it normal for a married man to be told what he can and can't do by his wife, but, and I'm not taking the side of the fictional person I'm about to mention, but it's a form of control and abuse for a married woman to be told what she can and can't do by her husband?

I'm just saying it's sort of a double standard. Neither party should ever have that sort of control over the other.


I didn't agree with the "You need trained professional help" until this comment. You seem to be totally imposing your feelings on the situation. Even in my (non-married) relationship, my girlfriend and I use each other as feedback to work on things like exercise and dieting. Sure, me dragging her to the gym when she says she's tired, or her condemning me for wanting Arby's might seem like "control" over the other, but it's a relationship. You don't lose yourself when you enter one, but you certainly have to make compromises, especially when you know the other person is right.

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God damn, you really were damaged by your last relationship. This is the only possible lens you can see it through? I'm sure you laugh at hundreds of things that would be considered more offensive than this commercial, but because this is your personal pet peeve you have to rage about this particular one.

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#63 Feb 10 2011 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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You get that she's trying to throw the can at her husband, right? She wasn't aiming for the blonde.


Yes, I do get it. That was the funny part of the commercial though. As far as "spousal abuse" goes I don't get that.


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You get that she's trying to throw the can at her husband, right? She wasn't aiming for the blonde.

You get that he was making a joke, right?


I'm not saying the commercial shows spousal abuse. But if someone is going to say that her hitting the blonde with a can is abuse, then you need to say that her throwing the can at all would be spousal abuse.

It's all slapstick, so it doesn't really matter, but I'm just sayin'. Smiley: tongue
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The only people who are likely to find that commercial racist are the racist the closet racist idiots themselves. One can only ponder the **** storm that might have brewed had the man and his wife been white and the cute young lady were black.
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The problem with both arguments is that there's no context. No way of determining the reasons for a man hiding in his bathtub just to eat a **** cheeseburger.

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 12:25pm by Driftwood
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The problem with both arguments is that there's no context. No way of determining the reasons for a man hiding in his bathtub just to eat a **** cheeseburger.

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 12:25pm by Driftwood
Yet, you jumped to the assumption that it's because she's overbearing and a control freak.
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#67 Feb 10 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Default
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Meh, it was something to do. But, without the context, that's what it looks like to me.
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#68 Feb 10 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem with both arguments is that there's no context. No way of determining the reasons for a man hiding in his bathtub just to eat a **** cheeseburger.

Of course there is. There's only one possible reason for hiding in a bathtub to eat a cheeseburger. He's hiding from his wife who won't let him eat a cheeseburger. Oh, sure, you could imagine a few others, but they're not relevant because they aren't real. Don't be a gbaji.
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Thank you, and, yes, she is. I already found her, but I dream about her too.
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Thank you, and, yes, she is. I already found her, but I dream about her too.
Have you told her that you haven't gotten over your ex?
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Thank you, and, yes, she is. I already found her, but I dream about her too.
Have you told her that you haven't gotten over your ex?

Or that you're likely to hang around for a while even if she starts to force herself on you with a dry strap-on?
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Or that you're likely to hang around for a while even if she starts to force herself on you with a dry strap-on?
I doubt that this will be an issue for him, Just sayin'
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I didn't think about the race of the couple when it aired.
I did chuckle and I don't care.
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Thank you, and, yes, she is. I already found her, but I dream about her too.
Have you told her that you haven't gotten over your ex?


I'm sure she'll realize the first time she suggests that the blue shirt looks better on him than the green one. OMGCONTROLFREAK!!!!!
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As for assault and battery what planet are you from. She was attempting to throw her can at her husband who dodged it and hit her by mistake, or are all incidents where people accidentally get hit by something A+B.


No, moron. There's a big difference between an act that accidentally hurts someone and an act intended to hurt someone which hurts someone else instead, in principle and in law. The mens rea transfers, you fucking imbecile.

What's wrong with you?

Oh, and seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people? I wasn't going to get involved in this, but seeing as it's no longer about an advert I guess I will. It's pretty controlling to forcibly prevent your partner eating things they want to. This is not to be conflated with expressing an opinion. If they;ve asked you to then sure, fine, whatever.

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What's wrong with you?
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Got some time to kill, do you?


I've got this leather couch that needs wearing in.
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I'm sure she'll realize the first time she suggests that the blue shirt looks better on him than the green one. OMGCONTROLFREAK!!!!!


Blue looks awesome on me. Green looks good too..really, everything tends to. I also trust her opinion on those things. That's the sort of thing I don't really care about at all. Now if she tries to tell me what to do and how to do it, we'll probably discuss it and figure out some logical solution. That system seems to be working so far.

It's not the desire to help one's significant other that can be a bad thing, it's the way one goes about it. Calm discussion is the better method.


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I doubt that this will be an issue for him, Just sayin'


Yeah...that might actually be kind of hot...



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Diftwoood, as another surviver of an abusive relationship, it sounds like you have learn how important calm discussion is in a relationship.

Jonwin and I always try to calm ourselves down, when we have conflict and then talk things out so both are satisfied.
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When that doesn't work, Jonwin can pop her one without much fear of reprisal because Elne can't run very fast.

Plus, with no couch it's tough to get up off of the milk crates they use for living room furniture.
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It's not the desire to help one's significant other that can be a bad thing, it's the way one goes about it. Calm discussion is the better method.


I'm sure that commercial would be hilarious.
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Diftwoood, as another surviver of an abusive relationship, it sounds like you have learn how important calm discussion is in a relationship.

Jonwin and I always try to calm ourselves down, when we have conflict and then talk things out so both are satisfied.


That's basically what we do. When we do have a fight, we both kind of step away for a bit and let each other calm down, then we talk about it and find some sort of compromise. It's worked out quite well so far.
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I'm sure that commercial would be hilarious.


Nah, Pepsi should just go back to using celebrities to sell their stuff.
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When that doesn't work, Jonwin can pop her one without much fear of reprisal because Elne can't run very fast.

Plus, with no couch it's tough to get up off of the milk crates they use for living room furniture.


Actually we are into using the reels that power companies use for cables and share the rocking chair Jonwin pick up for me at the thift store.

Also there are the brick and board shelving.

Milk crates are used to hold old computer parts that come in as back up for the computer we have cobbled together.
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It's not the desire to help one's significant other that can be a bad thing, it's the way one goes about it. Calm discussion is the better method.


I'm sure that commercial would be hilarious.


Maybe not, but we'd learn a lot from it. Because that's what commercials are for. Not entertainment or to sell us stuff, they're for life lessons
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It's not the desire to help one's significant other that can be a bad thing, it's the way one goes about it. Calm discussion is the better method.


I'm sure that commercial would be hilarious.


Maybe not, but we'd learn a lot from it. Because that's what commercials are for. Not entertainment or to sell us stuff, they're for life lessons


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Some of you butt-hurt **** have a really poor sense of humor.
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Idiot guy getting hit in the nuts with pop can == funny
Random woman getting hit in the head with can == not funny ; People scramming == kinda funny. Oh they were black and woman was white, ah hadn't noticed. Not racist

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gives Pepsi Max more attention than it would otherwise get, and gets more people to watch the commercial than ever would have.


Notice how basically no one here finds the Pepsi Max commercial offensive? Whipping up controversy to gain attention is old trick #14. Wouldn't be surprised if they manufactured it to sell more Pepsi Max.

Man, I sure could use a Pepsi Max. (old tricks #3 and #9: repetition and recognition)
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gives Pepsi Max more attention than it would otherwise get, and gets more people to watch the commercial than ever would have.


Notice how basically no one here finds the Pepsi Max commercial offensive? Whipping up controversy to gain attention is old trick #14. Wouldn't be surprised if they manufactured it to sell more Pepsi Max.

Man, I sure could use a Pepsi Max. (old tricks #3 and #9: repetition and recognition)


That commercial is so not racist, that I highly, highly doubt that they were aiming to create a controversy with it. It was clearly meant to be innocuous, and should have been interpreted as such by anyone with a lick of sense.
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I'm sure that commercial would be hilarious.


And that's kinda the whole point. Commercials have to tell their story in 30 seconds. They use over-the-top caricatures and exaggerated action to do so. There's nothing unusual about that. So on the issue of spousal abuse, IMO you just have to accept that it's intentionally exaggerated and move on.

While I think it's a stretch (and lets be honest, a lot of cries of racism are), I can see why some might view it at racist though. There are several racially aligned stereotypes portrayed in the commercial. The overbearing "strong" black woman. Blonde white girl attracted to black man. Anger from strong black woman over fear of black man leaving her for white blonde. Black woman "resolving" situation with violence. Black people "fleeing" scene of crime they just committed.

Any one of those could certainly get some people's panties tied up I suppose. The question (for those who care) is whether the racism lies in those viewing it who take offense, or in those who wrote it knowing that some would find it offensive. Personally, I think it lies with those who take offense. If we change the race of those in the commercial and those same people wouldn't find it racist, then the racism lies with them, right? Or do we continue to make special exceptions for racism based on the race of those involved? Or do we just ignore it and go out and get a beer?
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Blonde white girl attracted to black man is a stereotype? Smiley: confused





Now, had you said "black man attracted to fat white girl"....
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Blonde white girl attracted to black man is a stereotype? Smiley: confused





Now, had you said "black man attracted to fat white girl"....


Or "black man attracted to asian girl".
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Blonde white girl attracted to black man is a stereotype? Smiley: confused





Now, had you said "black man attracted to fat white girl"....


Or "black man attracted to asian girl".


Or, "asian girl not attracted to asian man."

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 7:50pm by Eske
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Eske Esquire wrote:
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Blonde white girl attracted to black man is a stereotype? Smiley: confused





Now, had you said "black man attracted to fat white girl"....


Or "black man attracted to asian girl".


Or, "asian girl not attracted to asian man."

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 7:50pm by Eske


Or tentacle monster attracted to asian girl.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
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Blonde white girl attracted to black man is a stereotype? Smiley: confused





Now, had you said "black man attracted to fat white girl"....


Or "black man attracted to asian girl".


Or, "asian girl not attracted to asian man."

Edited, Feb 10th 2011 7:50pm by Eske


Or tentacle monster attracted to asian girl.


You win. Smiley: bah
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That commercial is so not racist, that I highly, highly doubt that they were aiming to create a controversy with it. It was clearly meant to be innocuous, and should have been interpreted as such by anyone with a lick of sense.


While I'm sure you're right, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised. It would be far from the first time a corporation (especially Pepsi) tried to an unorthodox marketing tactic, particularly manufactured news/hype.
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A few weeks ago I saw a foreign commercial. A woman and her daughter got pulled over for speeding. While the woman is searching in her purse for her license, the cop looks in the back seat at the daughter. She mouthes "She's not my mom" and then holds up a sign written in crayon that says "Help!". Of course the cop then drags them mom out of the car and tries to place her under arrest. We then see the little girl again, smiling slyly at the camera.

If my son did that sh*t, I'd kill him. But it's a commercial, it's supposed to be funny, and I laughed my **** off.

Lighten up, jesus.


Now that's not something that occurs normally in society, and no one could possibly make the mistake that it would.
I almost got my grandmother arrested with similar enough shenanigans once. I mean, I wasn't some sly evil mastermind trying to be horrible, but the effect was almost the same.
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The US has really pussied out in the last few years for something as dumb as a commercial to cause any kind of controversy.

It hasn't from what I've seen. ThiefX is the only person I've seen bring it up, and Driftwood is the only person I've seen think of it as anything more than an unfunny commercial.
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That is why I like my job, I only associate with people I hire, and vis a vis, people that want to hire my team. Most of my crew is white, not because I dislike other races, but because here in the great white north, more companies are willing to hire non-whites, non-males to work to avoid potential prejudice complaints, or even charges. So I hire them because their chance of getting a job in my area (a heavy lebanese and non-white region), over the other locals is less than fair.


You're just as wrong as showing bias for other than merit as the people you mentioned. You're not helping anything, but causing a cycle.

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Got to love it when the very people society protects turn around and become more "powerful" then those original people who protected them.


I assure you that has not happened. Only when society starts to level out (not perfectly), the initial "powerful" side complains that the other side is getting too powerful, when in actuality, they never reached the original position of the "powerful" side.

In other words, White men complain when society doesn't tip in their favor, but when you look at the big picture, society still favors white men over any other group of people.

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If you're deliberately selecting employees for their race then you're part of the problem, no matter the reason.


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