Gbaji wrote:
I'll be nice again. Eventually, you kinda should reply to my question though, don't you think? I'm not going to endlessly debate the silly side questions you want to discuss while ignoring the one and only point I actually care about.
Here's the difference in our questions.
I have very specific questions that I've been asking since the beginning of our debate. You ignored those questions to answer other questions of your liking.
I have answered your question that you are asking, not only once, twice, but several times. Not only that, I've told you exactly where my answer is located within this thread. You are simply ignoring my response because it isn't worded the way you like. I've pointed you to my response in the 2008 election at least 3 times now. If you refuse to not only accept the original answer that I gave, but me telling you where to find it, then that's a personal problem. You can't say that I'm not answering your question.
Gbaji wrote:
The only actual difference is skin color though. Everything else is racial stereotype. If you think that eating fried chicken and watermelon and listening to rap music is somehow associated with being "black", then you are guilty of stereotyping. And that's *exactly* what I said is problematic and leads to racial discrimination.
False. Do you actually really believe that? So, there is no difference between an Asian, Hispanic, Black or White person? That's absurd. There are physical traits that are different among each of those groups of people. I'm not strictly referring to personality traits. According to your logic, there is no such thing as culture because it's all "stereotyping".
There's just as much a U.S. black culture as there is Chinese culture, Hawaiian culture or Indian Culture.
Gbaji wrote:
I've tried to explain this to you multiple times. I may choose to eat certain foods, or buy certain products, and listen to certain music, and I certainly may have my preferences for those things influenced by the culture and group I grew up with socially. But you cannot make any assumption of a correlation between an ethnicity and any of that and you make a fool out of yourself when you do. Mexican food is Mexican food because it's food that comes to us from a specific region. It's not Mexican food because it was cooked by a Mexican. Get it?
I didn't say it was Mexican because a Mexican cooked it. As you keep ignoring the term "Hispanic", which I also used to describe labels that do not come from a specific region. Your argument was that the label was harmful for food and music. You stated that there is no such thing as "Black music", yet turned around and said it was ok to label things that vary such as music. So which one is it? Is it ok to label music or not? Just because an artist is white, that doesn't mean the music is no longer black music.
You are attempting to strip away black culture and integrate it with the white society, while preserving other ethnic cultures.
Gbaji wrote:
Still missing the point. Do we call those places Chinatown, or Little Italy because there are Chinese or Italian people living there? Or is it because there are shops and restaurants that sell products we might not see in other parts of town which are associated with the geographical regions named in the label? If it were just a bunch of Chinese people living there, but they spoke the same language, and ate the same food, and their stores contained the same products as the ones everywhere else, would we still call it "Chinatown"?
I don't think so.
Yes we would, because we do.
First, your argument was that it was harmful for black people to want to "help each other out" by doing business with each other. Now, you are completely welcoming the thought of Asians deciding to create a neighborhood to live together and do business with each other.
Second, I just came from living in Asia and Asian populations in the U.S. is a major factor for a percentage of Asians in determining where to live. I saw this a lot with Asian spouses. Just recently at work, there was an "Asian wife" club where all of the Asian wives (of different nationalities) were friends and hung out.
This is where you fail to comprehend because it's obvious that you have never been a minority. Just like you never been to a black church, you aren't talking from experience, but stuff that you either saw on T.V or you made up.
Bottom line is, them living together is no coincidence, but you have no problem with that as long as they are not black. This completely supports my claim that all of this hooplah is due to your fear that black people will "take over". You don't fear the Asian population, so the fact that they are building up communities doesn't bother you. If they had a bigger presence in society, you would be saying that it's racist to want to live in a neighborhood based on the skin color of your neighbor.
Gbaji wrote:
So close... yet so far. So then what are you saying when you speak of the "black community" and the need for black people to buy at black owned businesses? Why create a label and why then treat those within differently? You said that they are different. But now you're saying that they aren't. Which is it?
What? Black culture is different, the physical make up of the community is the same. It's like comparing a typical American house in the South to a typical American house in the North. The cultures are completely different, but the actual housing is the same, it's nothing surprising.
Black people need to support black communities for the same reason the Asians support Asian communities. You seem to not have a problem with Asians doing it, so you shouldn't have a problem with black Americans doing it.
Gbaji wrote:
If I thought you could grasp the point I've been trying to make to you about culture not automatically being tied to race, I'd point it out to you. Again. Can we just skip this now? It's clear that you will never, even if I explain it to you over and over and over for a thousand years, get what I'm saying. You are so stuck in your own racial stereotypes and assumptions that you can't even conceptualize disconnecting those things which you have firmly and permanently connected in your own mind.
Soooo. you basically think it's a coincidence that all of those Asians are living next to each other. I mean, that's the only other explanation. It's either that or it was intentional, which under your logic is "racist".
Gbaji wrote:
You just don't realize that your use of the label is also negative. Hence, the problem you have understanding what I'm saying.
This is why I've been asking to you explain how labeling a Chinese person, Chinese negative? All you have done is ignore the question on labels, while constantly making the comment above. Then you have the audacity to say that you haven't been making those comments.
Quote wrote:
Then do it. I'm not going to eternally answer you questions while you ignore mine. The reason I've been trying to ignore your questions is because they appear to just be garbage questions tossed out by you in order to avoid answering mine.
I answered several of your questions. You could at least answer the one I asked you.
And I've responded to your questions in this very post. You are ignoring the questions that I want answered by choosing to only answer questions that you want to. Well, I'm doing the same thing. I will "pick and choose", until you stop "picking and choosing".
1.Are you completely ignoring my argument against what happened in the 2008 presidential election? Is your goal to keep trying to project your fictional arguments unto me so you can be right?
Answer my questions and I'll answer yours... as I already answered your question in my argument against what happened in the 2008 presidential election and numerous other times.
2.Will you please tell us what these "legal benefits" are?
Your answer is in your response to question one. So, if you decide not to answer it accurately, then you are personally deciding to not get my answer. At that point, it isn't my fault if you some how "forgot" my answer, because I'm telling you exactly where to find it.