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#602 Mar 29 2011 at 5:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Exactly my point, which is no different than calling a U.S. citizen "American"

Except it is. "American" is simply a shorted form of the country's proper name, "The United States of America". In the case of English, the proper name is "English".
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Unless you're claiming that people wouldn't understand "I speak American", then it is no different than saying "I speak Chinese"

They would understand both. Both are incorrect.
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Varus and gbaji boring you immensely lately?
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Varus and gbaji boring you immensely lately?

Don't tell me, I'll tell you...

Incidentally, I just asked the resident expert on Peruvian affairs in the household and she reports that, regardless of what the dictionary people may claim, the majority of people in Peru would just say Americanos when referring to American food, music or whatever. The estadounidense thing is primarily used by a select group of older people who make a big deal out of cranking over how unfair it is. Younger generations use Americanos pretty much exclusively.

She also admitted that they're just as like likely to just call us "gringos"

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I miss Nobby stumping through to call us all bloody colonials. Smiley: frown

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There ya go. Everyone not in England who is speaking English should rename it to Colonialese. Colonialish?
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High Colonics and Low Colonics.

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Bottom line up front is that we name languages what we want to name them. We don't have an official language, so I'm not asking if you're ok with changing the official language. I'm asking about your acceptance of the unofficial terminology "American" being used to represent our language as it does everything else.



How about we call the language you are using 'CUntish'?

Seems apt to me...
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High Colonics and Low Colonics.

You're going to make some Latin Americans mad.
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#610 Mar 30 2011 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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I can't believe this is actually an argument. This is just as bad as the "why do people drop out of college" ****.
#611 Mar 30 2011 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent
I don't speak Canadian, is that a problem? ****. protip: language and country name are not necessarily correlated.

While there are certainly north Americans and south Americans, which encapsulate areas that are not in the US, if you refer to Americans, everyone knows who you're talking about. It's the recognized name for people from the states, which is derived from the formal country name.

Of course people have said this exact thing a number of times. I'm just wasting my time.
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I can't believe this is actually an argument. This is just as bad as the "why do people drop out of college" sh*t.
I'll take my full share of the responsibility on that one. Which is more than half since we know fuckstick can't help himself.
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Oh, I was not necessarily disagreeing with you, just clarifying.

If you want to get into arguments over dialectic differences as a hobby, just move to Miami. Nothing better than getting a Peruvian, Cuban and Colombian in the same room so you can compare what words are totally innocuous in one dialect but absolute insults in the other.

There's also a strong underpinning of hatred for very specific cultures in the Latin islands due to the insane amount of colonialism that has occurred and the imperialism that continues to occur.

It's a really sad situation where your culture has a base hatred for not only your conquerors but also the indigenous people that got conquered but managed to retain enough of the original culture in future generations.

Sort of like people living in urban brownstones hating both suburbanites and urban loft/flat-dwellers.
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On the flip side, suburbanites and loft dwellers are both right in hating people in urban brownstones.
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Except it is. "American" is simply a shorted form of the country's proper name, "The United States of America". In the case of English, the proper name is "English".


I find it odd that for someone who is making a grammatical argument to ignore the word "of" in "The United States OF America". According to my "light research", the term "Americas", was used for the new world, to include the entire land mass, not just the fictional boarders that we LATER created.

This translates into The United States Nation of the American continent, so to shorten "The United States" (a country) to "America" (two continents) is silly.

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They would understand both. Both are incorrect.


Yea, well that contradicts your reasoning on "short hand" of the term USA. Your only argument on why it is acceptable was short hand. That did not include "correctness", as exclusively using "American" for the U.S is as equally wrong as exclusively using the term "Asian" for Cambodia. Just because a country has the word "Asia" in their name, it doesn't make them any more or less Asian than the other Asian countries residing in the Asian continent.

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I can't believe this is actually an argument. This is just as bad as the "why do people drop out of college" sh*t.


I honestly don't think you even know the argument at hand, given your responses.

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You know, if everyone else also put Alma on ignore, he might just leave.

Just putting it out there.

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I miss Nobby stumping through to call us all bloody colonials. Smiley: frown


Stumping sounds like the kind of walk you'd see from a particularly unfortunate pirate.
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Almalieque wrote:
This translates into The United States Nation of the American continent, so to shorten "The United States" (a country) to "America" (two continents) is silly.

Says you. A whole lot of people worldwide over the course of last couple centuries disagree.

The name of the nation is not "The United States" with "...of America" unofficially added in case anyone gets confused but rather...
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conventional long form: United States of America

...so using the "America" portion of the name isn't any more or less "silly" than using the "United States" portion. However, "American" has the benefit of being less of a mouthful.
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I can't believe this is actually an argument. This is just as bad as the "why do people drop out of college" sh*t.


I honestly don't think you even know the argument at hand, given your responses.


It's your lame attempt to tell us that we have no identity because we call ourselves "Americans" after the continent we live on, which also holds other nations. To that end, you want to prove to us how stupid it is to call ourselves "Americans" and our products "American" if we won't even bother to call the language we speak "American."

At least, that's what I'm picking up. Perhaps I've completely missed your point. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last, because you have such a strange, twisting, wicked path that you take to get to your points, you often lose people on the journey. I swear, your conversations are like Charlie and the Chocolate factory, and I feel like the kid who ate the four course meal gum and ended up looking like a blueberry.

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I honestly don't think you even know the argument at hand, given your responses.

Edited, Mar 30th 2011 7:22pm by Almalieque


Pot, kettle, blah blah blah...
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#622 Mar 30 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I miss Nobby stumping through to call us all bloody colonials. Smiley: frown


Stumping sounds like the kind of walk you'd see from a particularly unfortunate pirate.


Yes, exactly.

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This translates into The United States Nation of the American continent, so to shorten "The United States" (a country) to "America" (two continents) is silly.

Says you. A whole lot of people worldwide over the course of last couple centuries disagree.

The name of the nation is not "The United States" with "...of America" unofficially added in case anyone gets confused but rather...


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conventional long form: United States of America

...so using the "America" portion of the name isn't any more or less "silly" than using the "United States" portion. However, "American" has the benefit of being less of a mouthful.


I didn't say it was unofficially added..... I simply broke down how the name was made.

Many countries official names are much longer than what we call them. For example, many countries start their names with "Democratic/Republic/People of xyz". In these cases the first parts are not unique as many countries are "Democratic/Republic/People of". The unique part is usually the "xyz", as it usually only can refer to two nations total.

The equivalent of calling the U.S "Americans" because it has the word "America" in their name is calling the Chinese people "People" because their name has "People" in it. If you're going to abbreviate, that's fine, but you abbreviate the unique part of your name. You don't abbreviate the part that isn't unique to your nation. That is, unless you have no problem with the term "people" solely referring to the Chinese?

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It's your lame attempt to tell us that we have no identity because we call ourselves "Americans" after the continent we live on, which also holds other nations. To that end, you want to prove to us how stupid it is to call ourselves "Americans" and our products "American" if we won't even bother to call the language we speak "American."


Honestly, you were very close, but no dice.

I'm not proving it's stupid to call ourselves "Americans" because our language isn't called "American". I'm pointing out the fact that people don't call our language "American" because that's just stupid, but that's no different than calling our citizens and products "American" as well.

For whatever reason, we see the stupidity when referring to our spoken language, but not with our citizens, products and services. I was hoping if I pointed out the stupidity in calling our language "American", you would see the resemblances in everything else we call "American".

Think about it... Regardless of it's accuracy, it's ok to call this country America, the people American, with American services and American products, but we cant' say "We speak American", just like we say "Speaking Chinese"?. If we didn't pwn the word "America/n", then you would have a point, but we did, so what's another misuse?
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The equivalent of calling the U.S "Americans" because it has the word "America" in their name is calling the Chinese people "People" because their name has "People" in it.

Obviously not since, again, "Americans" is globally understood to be referring to the United States (even if some folks don't like it) whereas "People" is not understood to refer to the Chinese.
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Regardless of it's accuracy, it's ok to call this country America, the people American, with American services and American products, but we cant' say "We speak American"

Given that multiple languages are spoken on the American continent(s), saying "We speak American" is even more asinine if we accept your rantings about how we shouldn't be calling ourselves "Americans".

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The equivalent of calling the U.S "Americans" because it has the word "America" in their name is calling the Chinese people "People" because their name has "People" in it.

Obviously not since, again, "Americans" is globally understood to be referring to the United States (even if some folks don't like it) whereas "People" is not understood to refer to the Chinese.
Very poor example by fuckstick. People's Republic of China is spot on with United States of America. He does this regularly though, make arguments and then provide examples that lend support to you, not him.
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Obviously not since, again, "Americans" is globally understood to be referring to the United States (even if some folks don't like it) whereas "People" is not understood to refer to the Chinese.


Have you been paying attention at all? The reason why the world doesn't refer to the Chinese as "people" is because China decided to identify themselves with a unique word that only refers to them, Chinese. That's the whole point. The U.S. didn't. The U.S chose a term that refers to two entire continents and throughout time, it became essentially exclusive to the U.S. Pay attention!

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Given that multiple languages are spoken on the American continent(s), saying "We speak American" is even more asinine if we accept your rantings about how we shouldn't be calling ourselves "Americans".


Given that there are 50+ countries in the Americas, I would say that they are relatively just as stupid.

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Apparently, all Australians should only refer to themselves as "Commonwealthians". Cause it's wrong to use the continent name for your own country. Those greedy bastards!
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The U.S chose a term that refers to two entire continents and throughout time, it became essentially exclusive to the U.S. Pay attention!

Exactly. Thanks.
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This discussion goes well beyond what I thought were the limnits of stupidity.
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This discussion goes well beyond what I thought were the limnits of stupidity.


Hehe. Smiley: sly

And no, Alma. I don't think it's silly. Not even when you put it like that.
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Apparently, all Australians should only refer to themselves as "Commonwealthians". Cause it's wrong to use the continent name for your own country. Those greedy bastards!


Really? Are you trolling now? Or are you actually being serious?


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The U.S chose a term that refers to two entire continents and throughout time, it became essentially exclusive to the U.S. Pay attention!

Exactly. Thanks.


Once again, please pay attention. What have you been reading all along now? That has been stated, agreed upon and not disputed since the beginning. The entire argument is based on the fact that is indeed what occurred.

The term "America/n", as much as the U.S. owns it, is not a unique term, but we use it as such. That's the entire argument. We've taken a term that represents two entire continents and made it represent a single country as opposed to creating a term that only refers to the U.S.

I think the fact that you stated the premise as a response tells me that you're out of material.
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I think the fact that you stated the premise as a response tells me that you're out of material.

Garbage in, garbage out.
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I think the fact that you stated the premise as a response tells me that you're out of material.

Garbage in, garbage out.


Exactly, so stop feeding me garbage and we can actually move forward.
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Just putting it out there.
But then how is Joph ever going to reach 100000 posts?
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Just putting it out there.
But then how is Joph ever going to reach 100000 posts?


Gbaji. The same way he reached 50k. Smiley: tongue
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So where does it stop Alma? If we don't speak English, if we're speaking American, how do you break it down further than that? Because the "American" we speak in the south can be a lot different than what people in the north speak. We have our own terminology that's only found here. So we'd speak Southern American then? And then how about the differences between Louisiana and Tennessee?

WHERE DOES IT STOP??!?
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So where does it stop Alma? If we don't speak English, if we're speaking American, how do you break it down further than that? Because the "American" we speak in the south can be a lot different than what people in the north speak. We have our own terminology that's only found here. So we'd speak Southern American then? And then how about the differences between Louisiana and Tennessee?

WHERE DOES IT STOP??!?


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Too bad you have no friends, then. Nad makes a decent point.

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Too bad you have no friends, then. Nad makes a decent point.



Since I read posts first, it doesn't matter that I don't have friends.

Decent point? What point is that? What I read was a counter to an argument that no one was even making... I'm not quite sure how that's a good point in this discussion...
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Hehe. Smiley: sly

And no, Alma. I don't think it's silly. Not even when you put it like that.


Well it wont be the fist time you have contradictory beliefs. You think it's arrogant to call our version of English, "American", but see no problem calling U.S citizens "American".

There's actually a difference between British English and U.S English, but Joe is still an American living in Canada, Utah, Mexico or Brazil.

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Too bad you have no friends, then. Nad makes a decent point.



Since I read posts first, it doesn't matter that I don't have friends.

Decent point? What point is that? What I read was a counter to an argument that no one was even making... I'm not quite sure how that's a good point in this discussion...


I'm positive it's a complete shock to everyone that you have no clue what's being said.

What is it like, having no ability to extrapolate?

Under the circumstances I suppose that's an impossible question for you to answer.

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Since I read posts first, it doesn't matter that I don't have friends.

Decent point? What point is that? What I read was a counter to an argument that no one was even making... I'm not quite sure how that's a good point in this discussion...


I'm positive it's a complete shock to everyone that you have no clue what's being said.

What is it like, having no ability to extrapolate?

Under the circumstances I suppose that's an impossible question for you to answer.




I know what is exactly being said, I'm wondering why it's being said? Why are you asking me "when will it stop" when I've explicitly been arguing that it shouldn't have ever started in the first place?

How do so many people look foolish all at once, it's not statistically favorable.
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Not the one who asked you that, and I continue to be unsurprised by your lack of abstract reasoning.

You really can't suss out what Nadenu meant? That's just disheartening.

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Not the one who asked you that, and I continue to be unsurprised by your lack of abstract reasoning.

You really can't suss out what Nadenu meant? That's just disheartening.



Disheartened as you may feel, break it down for me then..
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No.

And I'll tell you why: it's pointless.

You have a problem. I don't know whether it's a thinking problem or a communication problem; but whatever it is, it prevents you from either understanding or relating ideas more complex than a simple linear conclusion. You can get from A to B as long as there's a clear path; but as soon as another variable, or God forbid a relevant vector, intervenes you lose it. You probably don't even realize that other people aren't like you.

I have no underlying compulsion to play into your disability. I don't get a kick out of it, and I don't think it does any good.

Sorry.

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What Sam said.

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No.

And I'll tell you why: it's pointless.

You have a problem. I don't know whether it's a thinking problem or a communication problem; but whatever it is, it prevents you from either understanding or relating ideas more complex than a simple linear conclusion. You can get from A to B as long as there's a clear path; but as soon as another variable, or God forbid a relevant vector, intervenes you lose it. You probably don't even realize that other people aren't like you.

I have no underlying compulsion to play into your disability. I don't get a kick out of it, and I don't think it does any good.

Sorry.



Soooooooo basically you have nothing. You could have explained it in less words than the paragraph above. I asked for clarification and gave you the benefit with out a doubt that I possibly misread the post. That tells you that I'm being reasonable in admitting any error on my part. Instead, you pull the "I know, I know, I know, but I'm not going to tell you" game, which makes you look real childish.

If you're not going to make a correction, then don't bother pointing out mistakes. You're just wasting space, as this is grown up talk with no room for children and their petty games.

Edit: I thought of another possible interpretation, but after rereading the post in question, I seriously doubt that was the intent. If it were, I would have an answer anyway.

Edited, Mar 31st 2011 2:31pm by Almalieque
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Demea wrote:
Almalieque wrote:

I'm biased against statistics
#651 Mar 31 2011 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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She told you in ******* clear English that a clinically retarded child could understand.

Please tell me that you don't have the Downs.

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