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#52 Feb 08 2011 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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This is fun. I'll play semantics with you, gbaji.

Firstly, I accused you of committing a form of rape. You've been constantly posting about how broadly defined that term is. You've said that liberal feminists consider rape to be when a man gives you a drink and you have *** with him and regret it later. Now, I don't think you'd argue against me being a liberal feminist, so could it be that I was merely insinuating that you've bought a drink for a girl you've ******* and she regretted it later? Is that something to get so butthurt about that you throw out lawsuit threats?

Secondly, I said varus thinks about it on a regular basis, because he posts violent things about women. Now, regardless if he means them, he is still using his tiny little brain to formulate these posts, so he is thinking about it.

Now, the question is, since Kao's been played a chump in gbaji's grand trolling scheme, is there going to be any repercussions to him? To quote you:

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... which I believe is what you have done to me. In fact, it has occurred a few times before that me AND my husband have been threatened with a lawsuit over a post on an internet forum with a subtitle "no holds barred". If that isn't harassment, what is?
#53 Feb 08 2011 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyone should just calm down a bit. If you don't gbaji will formally complain again and have this thread locked, too.


Lol... Nah. I welcome debate. My only issue was with the accusation. I didn't ask for the thread to be locked either, but I guess that was necessary due to the report (honestly had no clue, I've never reported anything on this board before). All I wanted was for her to retract it and apologize. I'm fine with banter and whatnot, but what she said went beyond that and I thought she might be mature enough to acknowledge it.
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#54 Feb 08 2011 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?

Satire's a *****, douche bag.


What she said wasn't satire. Moran!
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#55 Feb 08 2011 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?

Satire's a *****, douche bag.


What she said wasn't satire. Moran!

Odd, it's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
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#56 Feb 08 2011 at 8:39 PM Rating: Default
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Guenny. That wasn't an apology. An apology would be like "Gee gbaji. You're right, that was uncalled for. I'm sorry. I didn't intend to suggest that you had violated any form of sexual assault laws and retract the statement".

See how easy that is? Heck. Even if you'd just said that you miss wrote it and didn't mean it to come off that way, I'd be fine with it. Can you even meet me halfway here?
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MoebiusLord wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?

Satire's a *****, douche bag.


What she said wasn't satire. Moran!

Odd, it's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
Clearly that isn't what satire is though. I'm sure gbaji would be more than happy to give you 8 or 9 paragraphs explaining why.
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#58 Feb 08 2011 at 8:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Can you even meet me halfway here?
Sounds like that could end up being a slippery slope.
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#60 Feb 08 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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What a joke.

I've been called a rapist on this site more times than I can count, and this is my formal complaint. I want every instance removed and the threads locked or I consider you complicit in the slander of my good posting name, Kao, and I will take you to internet court and win.



According to a full forum and comments search of the terms Barkingturtle and rape or rapeist, the following two threads show relevance:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28&mid=121491707915554003 - post locked due to ban.
And this one, which is a quote of your "no rape" comment which has your name in it due to the quotation system.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28&mid=122219477438185153#msg122219729838181319

No other threads on the forum meet that criteria. If you have other threads you would like locked I would be happy to take a look.

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Bardalicious wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
gbaji wrote:
It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?

Satire's a *****, douche bag.


What she said wasn't satire. Moran!

Odd, it's the first thing I thought of when I read it.
Clearly that isn't what satire is though. I'm sure gbaji would be more than happy to give you 8 or 9 paragraphs explaining why.


Well, more like "huh"? Sometimes, someone says something so completely bizarre that it defies argument. It just has to be left as the utterly absurd thing it is. Moe's statement is one of those times.
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#62 Feb 08 2011 at 8:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?


It's obvious that Guenny just wanted us to reload the web page.
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#63 Feb 08 2011 at 8:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
gbaji wrote:
It is completely clear cut with no other interpretation. Trust me, I looked for an alternative meaning. I tried to think of any way to read that other than that she was saying that I'd committed a rape. I tried to look for any hint of joke or humor which might explain it away and allow me to just dismiss it as an internet jibe. I couldn't find any. Can you?


It's obvious that Guenny just wanted us to reload the web page.
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#64 Feb 08 2011 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Guenny. That wasn't an apology. An apology would be like "Gee gbaji. You're right, that was uncalled for. I'm sorry. I didn't intend to suggest that you had violated any form of sexual assault laws and retract the statement".

See how easy that is? Heck. Even if you'd just said that you miss wrote it and didn't mean it to come off that way, I'd be fine with it. Can you even meet me halfway here?


I'm sorry that I hurt your ****, gbaji. Can we put away the tissues now?
#65 Feb 08 2011 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow. Just wow.

You guys realize that you're attacking a guy for having the audacity to speak up after being falsely accused of committing rape.

Game. Set. Match.


Kao, I want this thread locked because gbaji falsely threatened me with a lawsuit to further his political agenda.

I will see you at Judge Joe Brown.


Understand this. If Gbaji were at this point to pay the money for a lawyer and persue a defamation claim against yourself and Barkingturtle, with all the text on the table, what he said, what you said, etc. He would win. Regardless of what you think about him, his views or how distasteful you might find them, you have entered that area of communication where if the other person felt strongly enough, they could sue you for a significant amount of money and would easily win that lawsuit. This isn't "i think Person X might be a jerk" This isn't even "Person X is a jerk" This is "person X has committed a felony". For that, you either need a conviction, or enough legally admissable evidence to back up that statement.

There is also the forum rules to consider. Under Paragraph I, specifically the section about Libel and Slandar laws, Gbaji could request enforcement of that clause on both yourself and Barkingturtle, and I would pretty much have to comply. It's the Asylum, so I haven't, but in any other forum section it would have been essentially automatic. The relevant paragraph may be examined here: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/Forum_Rules

I've already banned one 20k + account in the last 5 days. I really don't want to add more drama to the mix at this time.

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#66 Feb 08 2011 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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Kaolian, the whole point of these debate threads is the fact that I can literally say "Gbaji raped me" and **** wouldn't happen. Nothing could be proven, my word against his. I could say he held me at gunpoint and forced drugs down my throat. I could say anything because I'm a woman and it's my prerogative, and that ****** gbaji (and obviously others) off beyond belief. This is his little slice of justice in a cruel, cruel world.

Is it really that hard to know whether or not you're having consensual *** with a woman that men are so insecure and afraid of the rape word?
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What about "I think it's quite likely that, regardless of his protestations, anonymous person B may have lost his virginity with the help of a roofie."

Would that qualify as libel or slander?
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#68 Feb 08 2011 at 9:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Guenny wrote:
Is it really that hard to know whether or not you're having consensual *** with a woman that men are so insecure and afraid of the rape word?

No. It's really that hard to know whether or not a chick you had consensual *** with go back f'uck crazy and claim it was rape after her boyfriend/husband/dad finds out about it.
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#69 Feb 08 2011 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
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In other words, I attempted to handle it within the context of a discussion among a group of reasonable mature adults.



I think I've found the problem here.....


And..

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What about "I think it's quite likely that, regardless of his protestations, anonymous person B may have lost his virginity with the help of a roofie."


/lol

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Guenny wrote:
Is it really that hard to know whether or not you're having consensual *** with a woman that men are so insecure and afraid of the rape word?

No. It's really that hard to know whether or not a chick you had consensual *** with go back f'uck crazy and claim it was rape after her boyfriend/husband/dad finds out about it.

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#71 Feb 08 2011 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kaolian, the whole point of these debate threads is the fact that I can literally say "Gbaji raped me" and sh*t wouldn't happen. Nothing could be proven, my word against his. I could say he held me at gunpoint and forced drugs down my throat. I could say anything because I'm a woman and it's my prerogative, and that ****** gbaji (and obviously others) off beyond belief. This is his little slice of justice in a cruel, cruel world.

Is it really that hard to know whether or not you're having consensual *** with a woman that men are so insecure and afraid of the rape word?


From a libel or slandar perspective, it's all about the phrasing. If you were to put "allegedly" in front of "committed a form of rape" there wouldn't be an issue. Or quoteing text to use as an example as above, where it is clear you are using that text as an example is not an issue. If you were to go to a park and shout "person X committed a form of rape" and they have not been convicted in a court of law of rape, and there is no pending or ongoing investigation or trial, or any evidence to support such a statement, that falls under the definition of Defamation of Character. When you do the same thing in timestamped, written form in a public venue, you take most of the mitigating circumstances away. Use words like "I think" or "probably" or "Allegedly" etc. if you must, but once you start making declarative statements in a permanent, timestamped media format with no ambiguity of that nature, you are pretty much screwed if the target takes it badly and has the resources to take things to that level. To protect the forum, I have to proceed on the asumption that the target has the resources and desire to do that.

Regarding what constitutes rape and the variables associated with that, you are correct. There are flaws in the legal system, especially in some states, and that should probably change. ****, there are probably flaws in the libel and slandar laws we operate under as well, but just because we don't agree with a given law doesn't mean it wouldn't still land us in trouble if we break it.
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#72 Feb 08 2011 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh Gbaji rapes my brain everyday with lulz, it happens.
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Meh Gbaji rapes my brain everyday with lulz, it happens.


Thats the thing. It could be taken as a humerous statement. It could be taken literally by Gbaji. thats why you need to be careful with this ****.
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#74 Feb 08 2011 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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Are you sure Gbaji would have an easy time proving he's not a rapist?
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As can most things people post/write/say ever. There is probably a dozen posts of bickering on this first page, because people can't agree on what is being implied in the things that are discussed.

But Gbaji is entitled to his own opinion, though he is likely just trying to prove some point that in his mind makes him look like a superstar. So I can't fault him for that, as long as he walks it off and continues to post funny *** posts about things he doesn't get.

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Guenny wrote:
Kaolian, the whole point of these debate threads is the fact that I can literally say "Gbaji raped me" and sh*t wouldn't happen. Nothing could be proven, my word against his. I could say he held me at gunpoint and forced drugs down my throat. I could say anything because I'm a woman and it's my prerogative, and that ****** gbaji (and obviously others) off beyond belief. This is his little slice of justice in a cruel, cruel world.


You are projecting your own feelings about this onto me Guenny. The fact that someone can make an accusation doesn't **** me off at all. And the fact that said accusation can be resolved legally doesn't **** me off either. What does annoy me (and only slightly) is people who can't grasp that the two are intertwined. I often debate this issue in the context of what can be proven in court. I do that specifically to highlight the problem I see with the pursuit of the "cause" of date-rape. Which is its provability in a court of law.

Yet, some people can't seem to disconnect that from some absolute truth about what rape *is*. Sadly, our court system can't look at the "truth". It can only look at the evidence. I don't make that rule, but I don't deny it either.


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Is it really that hard to know whether or not you're having consensual *** with a woman that men are so insecure and afraid of the rape word?


It's not that the men are unsure about whether the *** they just had was consensual. It's that given the broad usage, men are unsure about whether the woman will consider it consensual. And unfortunately, in many cases this has far more to do with what's going on inside the womans head than whats going on between her and the man. Honestly, this is a whole topic by itself and the sick joke the feminist movement plays on already existing fears and pressures inside young women's minds has nothing to do with empowering those women and everything to do with using them for some larger political gain.
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