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#127 Feb 09 2011 at 1:21 AM Rating: Default
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Where in there did I say it wasn't satire? I gave an example of a hypothetical defense. I didn't even hint at it being based in fact; just that at the time of the lock, it would have been a perfectly adequate basis for throwing out the case.


I'm sorry. I pulled a Joph. You're correct. You didn't actually say the words "it wasn't satire". However, your hypothetical defense rests on an explanation of what she said that is completely 100% incompatible with a claim that it was intended to be satirical. I jumped a step ahead without connecting the dots for you. Does that make more sense? Or do you require additional explanation? Maybe with a picture drawn in crayons? ;)
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#128 Feb 09 2011 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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What if I say what I wrote was satire? Does that make it satire? Or does you saying that it's not satire make it not satire?

It's stupid, gbaji. Satire is a form of humor. There's no way of proving that something is humorous or not. The fact that people are "rallying to my side with bias" just shows that they got the humor, and you didn't. There's not a whole lot beyond that.

Heck, even varus got the humor. You got a great big ol' waaahh with a side of Republican agenda. Same ****, different day.
#129 Feb 09 2011 at 1:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Regardless of how you feel about me, or my positions on various issues, or even the specific topic at hand, the correct response I'd expect from most people would be some form of "Yeah. That was a bit too far". Instead, I saw people leaping to the defense of the accuser, attacks on me for mentioning it in the first place (apparently, I'm supposed to just let people say I'm a rapist and not defend myself), and most bizarrely people like you who try to claim that she didn't actually accuse me of anything in the first place!


Is "us vs them" so strong that you can't be objective on anything at all?

I'm very sorry, but since I feel that your argumentative position on the issue of how claims of rape should be handled vis a vis gaining abortion funding for said claims*, and your definition of rape as only including cases where forensic evidence is clear, vrs, "he said-she said" cases, is beyond "a bit too far" in my eyes, then someone else getting offended and insulting you in a way that is beyond "a bit too far" isn't surprising to me.

You probably feel that your arguments on the issue here are sound, rational and logical, and thus was surprised at so harsh and personal an attack coming back on you. I feel that your arguments on the issue miss some points of such important relevance that some of your conclusions are sick and horrible. Thus I can't support you when gravely slandered (in a no holds barred forum) on a grave issue. I find some of your past arguments very sick indeed, and thus think you have reaped what you have sown, whether or not this is actual justice happening, as two wrongs don't necessarily make a right.


*Given a 5% conviction rate for rape cases where authorities are quite certain a rape took place, but cannot get it proven in court, federal payment for aborting a foetus merely on the claim of rape, rather than a secured conviction of rape should be a no brainer.
#130 Feb 09 2011 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
It was clear at the time. The post by itself is sufficient. If it hadn't been, I wouldn't have said anything about it.

I understand why you took the meaning you took out of Guenny's sentence. I'd like to point out that most language is is actually not very precise, even when intent is clear. Thus there IS room for different interpretations of her sentence.

As an example the Premier of the state of Victoria, Jeff Kennet, sued a man who wore a T-Shirt that said: "Jeff Kennet Must Die".

The judge threw the case out on the basis that

1) Jeff Kennet is a human being.
2) All human beings die eventually from one cause or another
3) Therefore "Jeff Kennet Must Die" is a truism.
4) Since "Jeff Kennet Must Die" is a truism, any threatening or insulting intent meant by the statement is irrelevant and/or unprovable.

Not saying that the two cases are similar, just illustrating that language is subject to vastly different interpretations even when you think the message is clear.
#131 Feb 09 2011 at 2:27 AM Rating: Good
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just illustrating that language is subject to vastly different interpretations even when you think the message is clear.


Like 'Ministry of Defence', 'Health Service', 'Sports Drink', that sort of thing....
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#132 Feb 09 2011 at 2:38 AM Rating: Decent
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However, your hypothetical defense rests on an explanation of what she said that is completely 100% incompatible with a claim that it was intended to be satirical.


No ****, dumbass. Now let me connect some dots for you: there are actually multiple plausible defenses that would all ruin any chance of you winning a case. Grats on illustrating that without making me spell it out for you.
#133 Feb 09 2011 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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#134 Feb 09 2011 at 3:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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As long as were going on about morals (gbaji) I'd like to go ahead and point out that ************ is a "form of rape" depending on who you ask.


Case closed. Quit stinking up my courtroom.





And, since it never got answered: If you (gbaji) believe that the fertilized fetus is a human being would you advocate for disallowing fertility procedures, as they invariably result in so many "discarded" (ie destroyed/aborted) unwanted fetuses? Y'know...human beings.



It's a fair question that your buddy varus was too chicken-shit to answer.

EDIT: Unfair question. For you it's never about people; it's about money.





ALSO: Simple observation tells us that Usagi has been accused of being a peado in about a million different ways. Does he get to sue, too?

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 2:30am by Bijou
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#135 Feb 09 2011 at 4:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Accusing someone of being a rapist in written form is just incredably stupid unless you have evidence to back up such a claim. And even then, you should go to the police with it, not post it in public. If he chooses to persue a lawsuit over that, he would win damages.


No he wouldn't. To win damages, he'd have to prove that he has actually suffered as a result of that post. Good luck with that.
#136 Feb 09 2011 at 6:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh. I figured she meant that by demeaning women by saying "it's not rape unless there are marks" he was committing a form of rape on them as well. A second violation, if you will.


This.

Since that other thread where gbaji stated that it wasn't rape if there were no marks, I've always thought he'd probably coerced a woman or two in his life and he didn't like the light he was painted in.
#137 Feb 09 2011 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yup. Bunch of people getting butthurt. So butthurt that they extended their butthurtness into creating a whole new thread full of butthurt! Thanks for making my point for me. :)

Umm, no. I created this thread with absolutely no purpose save lambasting a douche bag for taking being a douche bag to a whole new level in the ZAM-verse.

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Do you (any of you) honestly think I enjoyed making this ruckus?

Yes. Mostly because you're an attention-whoring douche bag.

#138 Feb 09 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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Also if you never did that why you so upset, if you didn't do it don't you think you would be 0% upset, and 100% Stand up and tell that person I am not a scumbag piece of sh*t that rapes women, wouldn't you 100% want to ram it down their throats that it totally supports your point that it is a term that just gets tossed out, wouldn't you want to let that person know you think they are a @#%^ for saying that.


So now I'm being criticized for not being upset enough? At what point do I get to just conclude you'll find something to disagree about no matter what I do or say?


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#139 Feb 09 2011 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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ALSO: Simple observation tells us that Usagi has been accused of being a peado in about a million different ways. Does he get to sue, too?


He totally should, then he could buy more Loli with the money.
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#140 Feb 09 2011 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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What I really want to know is, where are these shadowy "feminists" telling college girls that one drink + sex = rape?

Stray observation: I have never, ever understood why some men are so threatened by female sexuality. You'd think that the more sex-positive, responsible, empowered women there are, the happier most men would be.

It's possible, I suppose, that a *lot* of men really think that shy, prim girls are genuinely appealing. That's the generous analysis, certainly. But I'm a suspicious *****, and in the back of my mind I can't help thinking it's about power, and about how easily controlled a passive woman is compared to a fully actualized female human being.

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#141 Feb 09 2011 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Guenny. That wasn't an apology. An apology would be like "Gee gbaji. You're right, that was uncalled for. I'm sorry. I didn't intend to suggest that you had violated any form of sexual assault laws and retract the statement".

See how easy that is? Heck. Even if you'd just said that you miss wrote it and didn't mean it to come off that way, I'd be fine with it. Can you even meet me halfway here?
Ya know, I almost had a moment where I kind of, sort of, agreed with you. I'm not sure why Guen called you what she did, but it was probably a tad over-board, even for this forum.

She apologized as requested.

Now you just sound like some pissy little newlywed bride. Had you wanted the apology done with gbaji specific wording you should have made that clear in your request.

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#142 Feb 09 2011 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just want to add that rdmcandie is my least favorite poster outside of the unholy triumvirate. Carry on.
#143 Feb 09 2011 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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sweet, make sure to stop by the fan club gift shop next time you are around.
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#144 Feb 09 2011 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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as someone who's been beaten and held at gunpoint while two men raped his girlfriend,


Well, you're not a rapist, but you are a huge pUssy. There's really no debate to be had there. Seriously, though, knowing you I'd reckon you probably paid them to do it so you could watch. Sicko.


Anyway, the problem here, as usual, is Kao. Gbaji's protestation would have been laughed at on most boards, but here we have an moderator who has set the precedent that it's not okay to call him certain names, so in this current circumstance he has no choice but to pull this dumb sh*t in order to appear consistent. Also, he's got a two-inch, Cheeto-smeared hard-on for myself and my wife.

The idea that we should all walk around on eggshells because we're going to be sued for slander is retarded. In the fUcking Asylum, of all places. Quit inferring we're in danger of legal repercussions when you don't know a fUcking thing about anything, Kao. That's the most actionable thing going on around here: an employee of this company is consistently harassing myself and my wife and making hollow threats of legal action against us, meant to intimidate.

Everyone else here is posting on a message board known for its flames and rants. We're posting in a place with a demonstrated reputation for hyperbole and insults. It's the bedrock, even, you ****-mongling, sh*t-eating fUck-brain. You though, Kaolian(if that's your real name), are at work. And you're repeatedly abusing your position of laughable power. It will never end, because evidently you've got pictures of some Zam executive raping fields full of orphaned Sudanese babies or something. Seriously, you suck. Go fUck yourself.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 7:13am by Barkingturtle
#145 Feb 09 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I'm sorry. I pulled a Joph.

You mean you cut through your rhetorical bullshit and exposed the truth about yourself? Man, that had to be cathartic. Good for you!
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#146 Feb 09 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
as someone who's been beaten and held at gunpoint while two men raped his girlfriend,


Well, you're not a rapist, but you are a huge pUssy. There's really no debate to be had there. Seriously, though, knowing you I'd reckon you probably paid them to do it so you could watch. Sicko.


Anyway, the problem here, as usual, is Kao. Gbaji's protestation would have been laughed at on most boards, but here we have an moderator who has set the precedent that it's not okay to call him certain names, so in this current circumstance he has no choice but to pull this dumb sh*t in order to appear consistent. Also, he's got a two-inch, Cheeto-smeared hard-on for myself and my wife.

The idea that we should all walk around on eggshells because we're going to be sued for slander is retarded. In the fUcking Asylum, of all places. Quit inferring we're in danger of legal repercussions when you don't know a fUcking thing about anything, Kao. That's the most actionable thing going on around here: an employee of this company is consistently harassing myself and my wife and making hollow threats of legal action against us, meant to intimidate.

Everyone else here is posting on a message board known for it's flames and rants. We're posting in a place with a demonstrated reputation for hyperbole and insults. It's the bedrock, even, you ****-mongling, sh*t-eating fUck-brain. You though, Kaolian(if that's your real name), are at work. And you're repeatedly abusing your position of laughable power. It will never end, because evidently you've got pictures of some Zam executive raping fields full of orphaned Sudanese babies or something. Seriously, you suck. Go fUck yourself.

See? You do have feelings. Tiny, prickly, frightening feelings, but feelings none the less.

EDIT: Crap f'uck.

Edited, Feb 9th 2011 8:43am by MoebiusLord
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#148 Feb 09 2011 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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This thread is going places.

I can honestly say "works as intended".
#149 Feb 09 2011 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
Barkingturtle,

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We're posting in a place with a demonstrated reputation for hyperbole and insults.


To be fair certain insults are acceptable and some aren't; well in the mods view anyway. Bash christianity all you like but don't you dare say the N word.





Edited, Feb 9th 2011 11:44am by varusword75
#150 Feb 09 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Barkingturtle,

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We're posting in a place with a demonstrated reputation for hyperbole and insults.


To be fair certain insults are acceptable and some aren't; well in the mods view anyway. Bash christianity all you like but don't you dare say the N word.

But if we could say "NO" we wouldn't have to worry about being raped by people from California.
#151 Feb 09 2011 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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To be fair

Oh please, you don;t understand the concept of fairness, and whenever anyone else would use such a concept, you'll accuse them of being socialists Smiley: lol

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Bash christianity all you like but don't you dare say the N word.

And don't claim you hope Chicago gets blown up by terrorists, amirite? Smiley: nod
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