Locke wrote:
Actually, that's exactly the point. You're upset that other people take offense to things you say. Perhaps you do not understand harassment is based on the recipient's feelings, not yours. More likely you just don't care. I think your issue is just that you think others should feel the same way you do... but that's completely contrary to how the concept of harassment works. If women seem more free to talk about sex, it's because their audience is not as offended. You're saying that you're upset if women get offended. That's tough luck, man. The law says so, common sense says so, social decency says so. If you can't control what you say and it upsets the people you say it to, you're still at fault.
And there was nothing to make up. We're talking about harassment, and you're saying you're upset you can't speak freely even if it would be harassment. If you're not feeling harassed by what is said to you, there's no problem. As you said, "it's all about knowing your audience." WHAT you say it just as important as WHO you say it to.
Wrong..
I'm not upset and I've told you that already. So, if you continue to believe so, then that is yet another personal problem. This isn't "tough luck", "common sense", "law" or "social decency".
As a supervisor, if I hear or see people doing something that MAY be taken as offensive, then I have the authority (as any good supervisor would do) is to hault that activity from ocurring, regardless if no one was offended. That's being proactive, setting a positive atmosphere so people can feel more comfortable.
What people like you are supporting is people doing and saying innapropiate things as long as no one is offended. You're being reactive. You'll allow your male workers to hang up nude women pictures on the wall because no one has claimed that they are offended. You would rather wait until someone says that they're offended. That's the wrong answer.
Knowing your audience is important, but that's most efficient outside of the workplace. In the workplace, while that still can be applied, it shouldn't happen at all, but it does and that's reality. So, it's better to be proactive than reactive.
Sir X wrote:
Obviously not, are you going to make a point or continue to just babble about nothing? If you have some kind of reason or explanation as to the privacy thing feel free to explain it. Otherwise you're just blowing a lot of hot air. You say you like to argue, but whenever I actually try and engage you, you refuse to actually say anything, and when I dismiss anything you've asked as irrelevant you jump up and down screaming and claiming it's your "victory" unless I answer said question. Sad. It's effective in annoying people, which tbh, I think is your only real goal.
That is the point, you're just ignoring it. The whole point of equality is treating everyone the same unless there is a justification to treat them differently. The simple fact that men and women are different isn't a justification to treat them differently. That is all you have provided. You didn't give any justification to why they should be treated differently. So, if you want to have a real conversation, then explain the justification on why women and men shouldn't share showers.
Sir X wrote:
When did I pretend the two were the same? What I've done from the beginning is ask you to explain what you mean by privacy, but you are either unable or unwilling to do so. I asked you to explain what you meant by it and you said ask a women because it's the same. I asked you to justify that because I didn't see the connection and you refused. If I were playing your role right now I'd be jumping up and down screaming, calling you an idiot who was avoiding the question because you know I'm right.
I said from the beginning that the two were the same. If you weren't playing games, you would have done what everyone else has done, say that there weren't the same from the start. You kept asking me to further explain, when I gave you the best explanation there is, saying it's the same as men and women. You didn't like that answer, because you wanted me to say something else.
Idigg wrote:
We're getting closer to the real issue now, ladies, gentlemen and ******.
The belief that a person's sexual perference has nothing to do with the ability to fight in war? Isn't that what you're fighting for? What is your point? I'm a Soldier, I go to war, that's my job. Why would I change my sexual preference than do the job I chose to do?
RDD wrote:
Pot kettle, kettle pot?
You sir are making a mountain out of a mole hill. I hope you quit your job, because frankly it is people like you that the military doesn't need. It is people like you who are more likely to freeze up and not perform ones duty, because you are simply to worried if the gay man behind you is checking out your *** or not.
News flash, Gay people don't tend to tell everyone about being gay, chances are you will not know any new gay people. You could be showering with 5 right now and not even know it, you could probably wont know it next week, next month or a year from now.
Furthermore, if you are so worried about your privacy, wouldn't it be good to know who is gay and who isn't that way you can try and keep yourself out of sight around them. Wouldn't that make you feel more comfortable instead of currently where you don't know who is gay. Hell your best army buddy might be gay, and you don't know.
You are a Homophobe, no if's and's or but's. You don't deserve to serve in the army if you think Gays should not be allowed to protect their country in a way that is not biased to their sexuality. You protect the freedom of all people, but are stomping out the freedoms of your friends and companions. You are a hypocriticl homophobe, and I am glad I do not know you personally.
But keep fighting the good fight man....and don't forget, don't drop the soap!
RDD,
The reason why you don't agree with me is because you're a racist. You don't believe that certain ethnic minorities have the ability to have their own opinions or any intelligence. You think these same ethnic minorites are inferior to you. You dont deserve to be part of our society, it's people like you who set minorities back. You argue against bigotry for homosexuals, but are a complete racist. You're a hypocritical racist. These minorities work with you.. Keep up your good work for homosexuals.... and don't forget, President Obama is black!
Obviously not, are you going to make a point or continue to just babble about nothing? If you have some kind of reason or explanation as to the privacy thing feel free to explain it. Otherwise you're just blowing a lot of hot air. You say you like to argue, but whenever I actually try and engage you, you refuse to actually say anything, and when I dismiss anything you've asked as irrelevant you jump up and down screaming and claiming it's your "victory" unless I answer said question. Sad. It's effective in annoying people, which tbh, I think is your only real goal. 
