Not really, at least not in the way you mean. The main reason for adult gender segregation is that it's a holdover from our upbringings. We grow up doing it, and we don't bother trying to change it, because that would involve a psychological rewiring that simply isn't practical versus any potential "benefits." Basically, we start doing it as kids and never really consider doing it any other way.
This has nothing to do with upbringing. As other posters stated, we are taught that our private parts should be kept private, that includes both men and women, heterosexual or homosexual. So, in our first open shower experience, we have to rewire our psychological thinking. So there is no difference.
You could argue that "we're not comfortable with the idea of changing it," just like "we're not comfortable with changing with homosexuals," but that's tantamount to defending homophobia. We already change with homosexuals-- we probably all have at some point.
That's the thing, it isn't homophobia, that's just BS that proponents say to scare people into their views. If men are homophobes for not feeling comfortable of changing in front of homosexuals, then those women are heterophobes for not feeling comfortable for changing in front of men. The thought of the two are equally stupid, yet you only want to recognize one.
You either missed my point or you're just wrong. Women are still allowed to do those jobs, and my point was that gays should be allowed to as well. It's a minor inconvenience to allow women to serve if you provide separate facilities, but we let them serve. There's no stronger an argument for prohibiting gays from serving.
I was referencing to showers, bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. You say that it is a "weak" argument, yet the same segregation occurs for the same exact reason practically world wide.
No, they're not. Women are not restricted from performing virtually any job in which they are physically capable of performing the essential tasks. If they are, they are only an easily-settled lawsuit away from being allowed.
I'm sorry, I'm talking about the U.S military, which military are you referring to? Anybody in the U.S military can tell you that women do not have the same opportunities as men.
They're not exactly the same though-- not even close. Men have a distinct physical (not to mention socially systemic) advantage against women. *** men do not have that same advantage against other men.
You are making the assumption that an assault has already occurred, which is the prejudice I'm referring to. You are making the assumption that a heterosexual man is unable to shower next to a woman without control. If not, then what's the problem?
As for the advantages of the men, you don't know the physical advantage unless you actually seen the two men. That's like saying a man can't fight a man because they're physically equal. That's stupid. Once again, there was a male soldier in my last unit sexually assaulted by a *** man. It all depends on the size of the two people. It's possible for a woman to overpower a man as well. It's just the likelihood of that is not as high. It's all about the size of the people, not the *** or sexuality of the people.
Sure, you could also be ignorant to the facts or just be plain stupid. You get to pick one: stupid, ignorant, bigoted. I know you don't like to hear that, and will probably chalk it up to bias, but that really is how obvious this issue is.
It is going to be viewed as one of the big civil rights duhs of American history, alongside integration of women and blacks into the military, alongside women suffrage and the end of slavery. Should your potential children ever read this thread, they will probably be ashamed, and your potential grandchildren will definitely be. I'm not trying to put you down here, but I do want to emphasize how obvious this question will seem to future generations.
For those supporting homosexual rights, the situation is a forgone conclusion. This has never been a fight about whether gays will gain equal rights, but when they will. Everything achieved by social conservatives pertaining to gays' rights is only a stall.
Only stupid, ignorant or bigoted people believe discrimination based on a psychological trait is the same as physical trait, so you choose. I seriously can't believe the amount of denial on this thread. The main reason why women don't want to share showers with men is that they are AFRAID
of getting raped, sexually assaulted, sexually harassed and or don't want men looking at their goods. I guarantee you those are in the top 3 reasons of a woman not wanting to shower with men, PERIOD. To pretend otherwise is just plain stupid. Edited, Jan 1st 2011 6:18am by Almalieque Edited, Jan 1st 2011 6:20am by Almalieque