No I am not saying you should be comfortable with nudity, that is entirely up to you. All I am saying is that the reason for separation and clothing is because the Church made it Taboo to see the naked body. It made seeing the opposite *** sinful as well, as stated numerous times in the bible.
These rules were enforced on people at a time when they had no power to change them. The rules were upheld generation after generation after generation. Previous organized cultures such as greek and roman held women and men on equal footing, often times women had more authority than men. These cultures also had communal baths where men and women liberally were seen naked in front of each other.
It was not until the Church gained power that these things began to change.
At the end of the day, your argument is, "That's the way it's always been". You're making the argument that nudity is "taboo"... so as a citizen, should nudity be taboo or should it not be taboo? Change in society starts with me and you.
Because influence from our ancestors were taught than men and women should not be together unless married, this was a result of years and years of being told that the fraternizing or displaying ones self around the opposite *** was wrong. While our current society has knocked some barriers down (women working, women voting) we still hold to those middle age values that women and men should not be naked around each other.
The fact that you're hiding behind this nonsense is insane. Look at the media. *** is every where. There's a reality show called "16 and pregnant".. people are shacking up and sleeping with whomever. Look at how much money the **** industry makes. The reason why women and men are still divided in the showers is because women don't want to be checked out while taking a shower, plain and simple. There is no religious taboo to prevent that from occurring. If that were the case, that stuff that I mentioned wouldn't be here. People would practice abstinence, not shack up with each other or do sexually explicit things for others to see.
None of that nonsense addresses my questions.. Please answer my question.""Why aren't men and women separated in the office? Why are they separated in the bathroom? Now, every bathroom have stalls and urinal dividers." If your response is "nudity",then this discrimination isn't about ***, but about nudity. Also, what about public bathrooms? Bathrooms have stalls and dividers, so men and women can both use the restroom at the same time and not see any body parts. So, why are they still separated?"
You're not exposed in the bathroom behind stalls or in the office.
I am not fighting for homosexual gains, I am arguing with you over your ineffective solution to a non existent problem.
What solution and problem? My argument once again is that a heterosexual man can express discomfort with sharing a shower with a homosexual for the same reasons that a woman has with sharing a shower with a man and not be called a bigot/homophobe. I think your problem is that until this point, you don't know my goal.
Why should there be any special rules? *** men are still men, and *** women are still women. They don't magically alter in to a 3rd and 4th sexual distinction. They follow the same rules men follow, and the same rules women follow, which is the same rules everyone follows. They should not have a special rule list, because that is discrimination.
If I don't get through to you in like the next 2 posts, I might just quit. These are not any special rules. That is treating homosexuals just like we treat heterosexuals. Women don't want to be checked out while showering, so we grant them their privacy and segregate them from the men. Men don't want to be checked out while showering, so we grant them their privacy and segregate them from the homosexuals. It's the same thing. There are no special rules. The rules are the same. By you saying "Well they are both men and women" is like me saying "Both men and women are humans, so separating them is discrimination". There is only rule, separate people who might violate others privacy due to sexual interest.
It is not the same, homosexual men are men, they should be treated like men and the same as men. They are not women. Stop using that as a comparison.
Read above. It is the same thing. Men are separated from people that they might be sexually interested in while in the shower. That's it, one rule.
and if you actually read the data posted (by joph i think) you would see it states specifically terms which involved harassment from gays, or to gays. Which is directly related to this. If Comfort/Privacy is your only argument then ill refer you to this rebutle.
Not everything is perfect, deal with it, you don't want to shower/room with a homosexual, you don't shower or room with a homosexual. You use the same avenues that people have been using for years to avoid people that make them feel uncomfortable.
A. Avoid said person
B. Notify a superior of your discomfort around said person
C. DEAL WITH IT
D. Leave the place and find something new to do.
Why does there have to be anymore than that. There doesn't.
You say "Grow up" as if society operates off of your fantasy rebuttal. There are laws for public nudity for a reason. This really isn't getting anywhere with you.
You are completely full of BS. You ridicule the thought of a male being uncomfortable naked around a homosexual man, but do not express the same feelings towards women who have the same feelings towards a man, calling it different.
The entire concept of this entire argument is the discomfort that someone possibly being sexually attracted to someone else in the shower. You claim that I propose to treat homosexuals differently and that they should be treated the same, yet your response to that scenario differs depending on the combination. If you were really about equality, you would either agree with the scenario or not. You wouldn't change minds depending on who that "someone" actually is. Because of that, you are clearly full of it and a hypocrite.