Senate Repeals DADTFollow

65-31

As long as Obama signs off on it, as he says he will, the ban on gays in the US military is over.

And not a moment too soon. Nothing terrifies a terrorist more than a flaming queen with a rifle skipping towards him.

:D

Kind of a double ended sword. I mean sure the gays gained a few basic rights and were partially acknowledged as equals, but now I've got one less situation to gaudily say "You can't have a first class nation with second class citizens!"

Edited, Dec 18th 2010 5:42pm by Allegory

Plus I've lost my draft-dodging ace in the hole

Senators Snowe and Lieberman deserve exceptional credit for fighting to make sure this bill passed.

Senators Ensign and Burr are cowardly shits who refused to vote to end the filibuster but then jumped on the bill once the filibuster was defeated and it was obvious the bill would pass.

Edited, Dec 18th 2010 7:54pm by Jophiel

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Super gay?

They were literally the same argument. Except that the discrimination against gays was worse in ways. Of course, the black guy couldn't hide the fact that he was black. But he was still allowed to serve in some capacity. Th gays just got kicked out and stripped of all their pensions (some of which were the result of over a decade in the service).

And is it just me, or are lesbians in the military more logical than straight women in the military? I mean, the lezzie isn't gonna get preggers, for starters. And have you seen butch lesbians? I would NOT f*ck with them.

The whole argument stems from the idea of the gay as a sissy who can't be trusted in war, which is why they are claiming that it would destroy unit cohesion (with the tough straight soldier unwilling to trust the guy with gaga playing on his ipod in the middle of a fire fight). Of course, they conveniently forget that there are plenty of super masculine gay guys. You know, all those gay guys who were in the military for years before getting caught...

Plus, the policy itself was destroying unit cohesion actively. A few months ago, a veteran flight nurse was kicked out for being a lesbian. I REALLY doubt the bleeding soldier was going to care that he and the lady ensuring he doesn't die have more in common than he would have thought. Plus, "all right, lesbian nurse!"

Same thing for soldiers kicked out of combat troops. Do you think the guys would prefer another person there to help, or for the icky gay to go away? There's a reason comrade testimony has been such a huge part of reinstating gays into the military in the last year.

There is no argument for DADT that doesn't stem from bigotry, so would you care to elaborate your position?

That's an argument for separate bedding/showers, not an argument for DADT.

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 5:36pm by SuperAtheist

An argument that comes down to "them gays are icky so we don't want the real men to have to shower with them" which is pretty sad.

Alm, you realize that there are women serving overseas too, right? You know how they separate showering facilities on smaller bases? Men shower at 1 time, women at another. Would it ACTUALLY be hard to add in 2 more times? No.

The only problem would be on bigger bases who have two segregated showering facilities. And it's no different than if you showered at a gym.

And guess what, no one who isn't brain dead should care in the first place. Why? Because you are delusional if you think every gay guy wants to have sex with you.

[EDIT] Realistically, a gay guy isn't going to evaluate you any differently than a straight man would. Well, they might take note of different things, but all guys notice the physical traits of other guys. It's just that straight culture has put a taboo on mentioning these for the asinine reason of "seeming gay." You are being judged as much, if not more, by other straight men than by the gays. [/EDIT]

Furthermore, gays in public schools don't even get separate locker rooms. Do you really think the military is going to care? No. I'm gay--know where I changed in high school? With every other guy in the guy's locker room. Know where I go to the bathroom? In men's restrooms. I'm at college right now--I use the men's bathroom on my floor.

The only reason you'd even want separate facilities is if you are uncomfortable being around gay guys. And it has nothing to do with the idea that they are checking you out--that's just an expression of a deeper disgust.

The ENTIRE DADT argument has always been based on the idea that morale and combat effectiveness would be lowered by integrating gays. And that stems from the idea that gays are gross and straights shouldn't be forced to be in close contact with them.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if the military even bothers segregating showers more than they are now. And that's including if they have the chance.

Also, just because a guy isn't out, doesn't mean he's not gay. Not everyone will come out after DADT (and not everyone will after leaving the military, either).

[EDIT]

Also, what I doubt you realized, is that the single locker-room/shower thing is often more uncomfortable for the gay guy once he's out. He worries that he's causing the rest of them to be uncomfortable, which makes him super uncomfortable about being there.

I can only talk about myself, of course, but I hate changing in locker rooms. When I'm anonymous, it's fine, but when guys there know me I feel so weird (at least when we aren't close friends). Though a lot of that has to due with the idea that they are all judging you, or sickened by you. And even though you know they're dumb as hell for thinking that, it's still uncomfortable to be in a room of people you perceive to be judging you.

Honestly, I can change easier in front of my female friends than male ones. The guy's locker room isn't a sexual place at all for me. And, frankly, there's nothing erotic about the sanitary habits of most males...

If I was closeted, I wouldn't be nearly as uncomfortable. So, actually, straight men should welcome guys coming out if what they worry about is the icky gay checking them out.

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 7:11pm by idiggory

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 7:13pm by idiggory

Holy ****, this has got to be the most stupid argument from you ever. And that's saying a lot.

And don't fuCking ask me to explain.