You're the one who obsessed about the ceremony itself. I was simply pointing out that you can, in fact, hold a marriage ceremony without having a marriage license.
I did...? I don't recall obsessing about a ceremony.
This doesn't have anything to do with the ceremony either. But it does require some set of legal contracts. Um... How on earth do roommates manage this? Lol...
Do you honestly think that the cable company wont come to fix your cable if your name isn't the same as that on the contract? Really? If you are at the home, and you pay them. They don't really care. Same deal with the washing machine repair guy, the plumber, the electrician, and any of a hundred other potential businesses you may deal with. This isn't a problem.
I actually used the cable company as an example because, just today, we had a client living with her boyfriend, who's name is on the account but not "primary," who needs a note from her and a copy of her driver's license in order to go to ComCast and pick up a new digital cable box. He's over 50 years old, but he needs a @#%^ing note from his girlfriend before he can take care of this.
If they were married, it wouldn't be an issue.
No, it doesn't. It defines a set of marriages which the state rewards by providing benefits to those who enter into them. Period. No one checks for your marriage license when you order a **** pizza. No one checks it at the gas station. No one checks it at a restaurant.
The only time anyone cares about a marriage license is if you are attempting to use any of a set of government legislated benefits. So, if you apply for a loan, they'll care. Random person on the street? Doesn't care at all. Has no reason to know either way.
Ah, so maybe these homosexual couples should't be allowed to enter into a loan...?
No. I'm talking about a legally binding contract with all the conditions we associate with marriage. You don't need a license to enter into that contract. You need the contract to get the license. As I stated earlier. The law goes in the other direction.
The first contract requires "gobs of money". The next hundred thousand can be copied free for anyone who wants one. How many times more "gobs of money" have been spent on this issue already?
Power of attorney is not a rare or mystical thing. If that's all you want, then it's pretty cheap to obtain. If you want a more complete contract, you have to get one drawn up that's more complete (obviously). Again. Why hasn't the *** rights movement done this? If they care so much about *** people being able to live the lives they want to live?
That's a vastly simpler solution than going through the massive expense of trying to force legal changes in 50 states across the country. Don't you agree?
Because it's unfair to subject one group to this while the other group can simply get married?
It's a matter of not being made to feel like a second class citizen. I can tell you're fine with them being labeled as such, but I'm not, and I can't imagine most of them are very happy with it, either.
If a tiny fraction of the legal costs already spent on this issue were spent on writing up said contract and creating a standard boilerplate legal contract available to anyone, it would cost the same (or less) money.
We both know why the movement hasn't done this. If they did, most *** couples would be happy and they would lose political power. It's that simple. It's not about doing what is best for the people they represent, nor is it about doing what is "right". It's about doing what empowers them politically. And that's what's so sad about this whole issue. It does not have to be this way. There is a solution in which everyone is happy and gets what they want, but it's not being allowed to happen because it's more politically advantageous to create conflict than to resolve it.
They shouldn't have to. Nor should they have to defend their rights to idiots like you.
So instead, you'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars on litigation and political campaigns? In what universe does this make a lick of sense? Spend 10k once. Write a contract. Make it available to anyone who wants it. What could be easier?
Civil rights and stopping discrimination is rarely easy, but it's always worth it. Edited, Mar 10th 2010 4:57pm by Belkira