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I cant' help but associate him with Alfred E. Newman



Edited, Mar 6th 2008 4:10pm by Elinda

If I recall there was another junior senator from Illinois that had zero experience in federal government, allow me to quote him...

Stephen Douglas?

Edit: Joph beat me :(

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 2:31pm by Smasharoo

By only three and a half hours!

However the latter, depending on how it's done, still leaves plenty of room for hip-breaking.

At the risk of invoking Godwins, Hitler was also consistent in his message and most definitely represented "change".

I just happen to think that's not automatically a good thing all by itself. Change for the sake of change is a pretty dangerous thing to pursue. Giving power to someone purely because you don't like the status quo is moronic. It was moronic when the Germans made that choice in the 1930s, and it hasn't become any less moronic today.

Tell me why Obama would be a good president. Do so without saying what he *isn't*, or who he *isn't*, or what he wont do, or what he wont support. Tell me what he is for. What changes will he make? What policies does he support that makes him a better choice for president? Stop just repeating vague statements that have no real meaning.


Voting someone into power because you don't like the current leadership is a pretty dumb thing to do. You're basically taking pot-luck with what you get. I'll gladly suffer with the devil I know, thank you very much...

Obama is your new bicycle!

j/k

- Obama wanted to run a campaign that made no personal attacks against his opponents. All his attacks against Clinton have been policy attacks. Policy is fair game.

- All the people that go on to say that Obama's opinion on the war back in 2000 was irrelevant fail to recall that people like me were out there protesting it back then, too. I didn't believe any of the lies Bush fed us. I don't have any voting power either, and I'm the liberal hippie of a fairly high GoP family so I probably never will, but I tend to prefer people who saw things my way on something as important as a WAR.

- Obama has not accepted federal lobbyist funds. He has accepted funds on the state level from lobbyist, but has not accepted funds from their federal counterparts since he announced he was running for president.

- He ran for prez because everyone around him convinced him he could do it, not out of a personal political ploy.

- He is more Christian than 99% of Christians in this country, because he was raised agnostic and found god on his own. I'm agnostic myself but I have amazing respect for people that find a faith to believe in on their own without being brainwashed from childhood. His middle name means nothing regarding his religion; his grandmother is also a Christian, and her name is Sarah Hussein Obama. It's a common name that means "the beautiful one" in Arabic.

- He has a genuine, sincere grin. Compared to Clinton's fake beauty pageant smile, and McCain's smirk, he seems to actually be having FUN out there during his speeches and rallies. That's why people respond to him so well. Charisma is a powerful force. Now, not all people are affected by his charisma talent; this is a good thing because it keeps the koolaid drinkers down to earth. Jaded souls aren't impressed with a warm smile, but neither do they respect crocodile tears or false anger.

- He's more liberal than I am, and that's saying something. :x Pro-choice, anti-war, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-environment, anti-corporate, pro-working-class, anti-establishment.

If you don't know what Obama wants to do, it's because you're not paying attention or intentionally disregarding the wealth of information available.

Unless you want to latch onto "knowing for sure" in which case, we're all fucked, all the time. Bush Jr ran as a "Compassionate Conservative". Bush Sr. swore that he wouldn't raise taxes.

Actually, we have about as much of an idea of how the change will go under Obama as we do about Clinton and McCain. The difference is that Obama also represents a possible change in the political climate of Washington, and that's what people want. McCain and Clinton represent neither of these things.

We do? Who's "we"?

I just want *you* to list off a handful of specific "changes" that Obama has promised to make and that you support.

Is that really so much to ask?




Again. Specifics. What things will be different in the "political climate of washington" with an Obama president.


Stop just saying "it'll be different", or "things will change". Maybe I'm just not being clear enough. I want you guys to actually say what the changes will be. As in, tell me what things would be like or are like and how those specific things will be different with Obama as president.

Will lobbying rules be changed? Will the ability of special interests to influence politics change? How? Will he increase taxes? Or lower them? How exactly will his policy towards Iraq be different then that of Clinton, or McCain? What about foreign policy in general?

I just want you to actually list them. I've asked this across about 3 different threads now over the last week or so, and so far not a single person has done this.

Again. Is it so much to ask that you go past "he'll change things"?

To give my frank observation, it's because most people do not want to have to bother listing out his whole damn platform for you.

I invite you to visit http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ and see for yourself why many people, including me, have chosen to support Obama; whether you'll ever agree or not is your prerogative. I also invite you to read his book, The Audacity of Hope, to see how he could potentially change the climate of Washington. (I'm assuming that you haven't, which I'd say is probably a safe assumption.)

Was it because you were just a blind follower who would have followed Hitler?

Don't be silly, he's not a Socialist.

A distinct possibility.