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#27 Mar 06 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Bush reminds me more of Elmer Fudd, actually.Smiley: nod


I cant' help but associate him with Alfred E. Newman



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#29 Mar 06 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Good
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If I recall there was another junior senator from Illinois that had zero experience in federal government, allow me to quote him...
Actually Lincoln was never in the Senate. He served a single two-year term in the House of Representatives.
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#30 Mar 06 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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If I recall there was another junior senator from Illinois that had zero experience in federal government, allow me to quote him...


Stephen Douglas?

Edit: Joph beat me :(

Edited, Mar 6th 2008 2:31pm by Smasharoo
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#31 Mar 06 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bush reminds me more of Elmer Fudd, actually. Smiley: nod

If we're talking about dancing, then Obama clearly should be President...that man has rhythm. Hillary, on the other hand, tends to do that lifeless clapping thing whenever she encounters music she likes. Bo-oring!Smiley: rolleyes What can McCain do without breaking a hip?

Fly an A-4 Skyhawk or bang a hot blonde.
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#32 Mar 06 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Edit: Joph beat me :(
By only three and a half hours! Smiley: laugh
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#33 Mar 06 2008 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Bush reminds me more of Elmer Fudd, actually. Smiley: nod
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#34 Mar 06 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Fly an A-4 Skyhawk or bang a hot blonde.

Smiley: schooled
However the latter, depending on how it's done, still leaves plenty of room for hip-breaking.
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#35 Mar 06 2008 at 4:50 PM Rating: Excellent
The secret is out! The Force is strong with Obama, which he will use to clinch the nomination and the presidency.
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#36 Mar 06 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Default
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Explain to me how voting for someone with practically zero experience in federal government, and who seems to be running on the "I'm not a politician" platform is "doing something right"?


Because at least he's consistent in his message. He would represent "change", precisely for those reasons.


At the risk of invoking Godwins, Hitler was also consistent in his message and most definitely represented "change".

I just happen to think that's not automatically a good thing all by itself. Change for the sake of change is a pretty dangerous thing to pursue. Giving power to someone purely because you don't like the status quo is moronic. It was moronic when the Germans made that choice in the 1930s, and it hasn't become any less moronic today.

Tell me why Obama would be a good president. Do so without saying what he *isn't*, or who he *isn't*, or what he wont do, or what he wont support. Tell me what he is for. What changes will he make? What policies does he support that makes him a better choice for president? Stop just repeating vague statements that have no real meaning.


Voting someone into power because you don't like the current leadership is a pretty dumb thing to do. You're basically taking pot-luck with what you get. I'll gladly suffer with the devil I know, thank you very much...
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#37 Mar 06 2008 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
Comparing Obama to Hitler is not a very good analogy, even for you.

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#38 Mar 06 2008 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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- Obama wanted to run a campaign that made no personal attacks against his opponents. All his attacks against Clinton have been policy attacks. Policy is fair game.

- All the people that go on to say that Obama's opinion on the war back in 2000 was irrelevant fail to recall that people like me were out there protesting it back then, too. I didn't believe any of the lies Bush fed us. I don't have any voting power either, and I'm the liberal hippie of a fairly high GoP family so I probably never will, but I tend to prefer people who saw things my way on something as important as a WAR.

- Obama has not accepted federal lobbyist funds. He has accepted funds on the state level from lobbyist, but has not accepted funds from their federal counterparts since he announced he was running for president.

- He ran for prez because everyone around him convinced him he could do it, not out of a personal political ploy.

- He is more Christian than 99% of Christians in this country, because he was raised agnostic and found god on his own. I'm agnostic myself but I have amazing respect for people that find a faith to believe in on their own without being brainwashed from childhood. His middle name means nothing regarding his religion; his grandmother is also a Christian, and her name is Sarah Hussein Obama. It's a common name that means "the beautiful one" in Arabic.

- He has a genuine, sincere grin. Compared to Clinton's fake beauty pageant smile, and McCain's smirk, he seems to actually be having FUN out there during his speeches and rallies. That's why people respond to him so well. Charisma is a powerful force. Now, not all people are affected by his charisma talent; this is a good thing because it keeps the koolaid drinkers down to earth. Jaded souls aren't impressed with a warm smile, but neither do they respect crocodile tears or false anger.

- He's more liberal than I am, and that's saying something. :x Pro-choice, anti-war, pro-***, anti-gun, pro-environment, anti-corporate, pro-working-class, anti-establishment.

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#39 Mar 06 2008 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Comparing Obama to Hitler is not a very good analogy, even for you.



My point is not to say that Obama is like Hitler. I'm comparing the methodology of choice to that which resulted in Hitler gaining power. Supporting a leader because he promises to change things, without knowing for sure what direction that change will go is pretty stupid.

Similarly, supporting a leader based on what he is opposed to, or because you don't like the status quo is equally stupid. You should support a leader because you understand his policies and agree with his agenda. Vague claims like "He represents change" isn't sufficient IMO.


Change is not always good. Change can be bad too. Hitler is just an obvious example of this fact.
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My point is not to say that Obama is like Hitler. I'm comparing the methodology of choice to that which resulted in Hitler gaining power. Supporting a leader because he promises to change things, without knowing for sure what direction that change will go is pretty stupid.
If you don't know what Obama wants to do, it's because you're not paying attention or intentionally disregarding the wealth of information available.

Unless you want to latch onto "knowing for sure" in which case, we're all fucked, all the time. Bush Jr ran as a "Compassionate Conservative". Bush Sr. swore that he wouldn't raise taxes.
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#41 Mar 06 2008 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
K. Comparing Obama supporters to the German people of the 1930's is also fucking stupid, even for you.

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Change is not always good. Change can be bad too. Dubya is just an obvious example of this fact.


Fixed it for ya.
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#42 Mar 06 2008 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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Supporting a leader because he promises to change things, without knowing for sure what direction that change will go is pretty stupid.


Actually, we have about as much of an idea of how the change will go under Obama as we do about Clinton and McCain. The difference is that Obama also represents a possible change in the political climate of Washington, and that's what people want. McCain and Clinton represent neither of these things.
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#43 Mar 06 2008 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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If you don't know what Obama wants to do, it's because you're not paying attention or intentionally disregarding the wealth of information available.


I know what he wants to do Joph. What I'm observing is a remarkable number of Obama supporters who don't have a clue though.

Hence, why I keep asking those people "Ok. What exactly about Obama's platform do you agree with?", and keep getting basically no answer.

I'm not implying at all that Obama does not have an agenda and a platform. You're well aware that we've already had several conversations specifically about this very thing. I'm just curious why so many Obama supporters can't seem to elaborate on this, when as you say, there's a wealth of information available...
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gbaji wrote:

Supporting a leader because he promises to change things, without knowing for sure what direction that change will go is pretty stupid.


Actually, we have about as much of an idea of how the change will go under Obama as we do about Clinton and McCain.


We do? Who's "we"?

I just want *you* to list off a handful of specific "changes" that Obama has promised to make and that you support.

Is that really so much to ask?


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The difference is that Obama also represents a possible change in the political climate of Washington, and that's what people want. McCain and Clinton represent neither of these things.


Again. Specifics. What things will be different in the "political climate of washington" with an Obama president.


Stop just saying "it'll be different", or "things will change". Maybe I'm just not being clear enough. I want you guys to actually say what the changes will be. As in, tell me what things would be like or are like and how those specific things will be different with Obama as president.

Will lobbying rules be changed? Will the ability of special interests to influence politics change? How? Will he increase taxes? Or lower them? How exactly will his policy towards Iraq be different then that of Clinton, or McCain? What about foreign policy in general?

I just want you to actually list them. I've asked this across about 3 different threads now over the last week or so, and so far not a single person has done this.

Again. Is it so much to ask that you go past "he'll change things"?
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I just want *you* to list off a handful of specific "changes" that Obama has promised to make and that you support.
I've listed Obama's policies that I support multiple times. More than once while in conversation with you. Go look for 'em.
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#46 Mar 06 2008 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
To give my frank observation, it's because most people do not want to have to bother listing out his whole **** platform for you.

I invite you to visit http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ and see for yourself why many people, including me, have chosen to support Obama; whether you'll ever agree or not is your prerogative. I also invite you to read his book, The Audacity of Hope, to see how he could potentially change the climate of Washington. (I'm assuming that you haven't, which I'd say is probably a safe assumption.)
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#47 Mar 06 2008 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just curious why so many Obama supporters can't seem to elaborate on this, when as you say, there's a wealth of information available...
*Shrug*

Here's you being clueless on four of the things Bush called for. Was it because you were just a blind follower who would have followed Hitler?

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Was it because you were just a blind follower who would have followed Hitler?


Don't be silly, he's not a Socialist.

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Was it because you were just a blind follower who would have followed Hitler?

Don't be silly, he's not a Socialist.
Maybe he joined the Spanish Republicans. After all, it says "Republican" right in their name.
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#50 Mar 06 2008 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Maybe I'm just not being clear enough.
A distinct possibility.
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