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Final Fantasy VII Sequel: MovieFollow

#1 May 07 2006 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't know if anyone else in here is a final fantasy fan along with me, but this was too good to keep quiet.

I saw part of the movie in a GameSpot in my home town's mall and just basically stayed and watched with the best feeling of euphoria about a video game I've ever had.
#2 May 08 2006 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
I can't tell if you knew this already but it is out. I picked up my copy from Gamestop via preorder. It's not uberfantastic but it is really good. if you liked the game, get the movie.
#3 May 08 2006 at 1:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I saw it was out. For like, 20-25 dollars. I plan on buying it after my first summer paycheck.
#4 May 08 2006 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
If/when you get it, before you watch the movie there is a extra called "Reminiscence of Final Fantasy VII" watch that first.

Basically it recaps important events in the game (almost painstakingly), it’s especially useful if you haven’t played it in forever.

Ex. I forgot all about Zack, when I saw him in the movie I didn’t know who the hell he was or why he was in that part.


(Addition: The music is really good, the composers did a fanfuckingtastic job, recommenced you pick it up if your into that kinda thing
#5 May 08 2006 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
Old news is so exciting.
#6 May 08 2006 at 3:43 AM Rating: Good
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Downloaded it when it came out, excellent film if you a FF jock and no whats going on. Now ive got the JP version with subs, whats the voice over like on the english version?
#7 May 08 2006 at 4:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I was highly disappointed in this movie because it didn't make much sense. "If you played the game then you'll know what's going on"? I beg to differ for anyone who says this. For instance. There was no Kodaj (Kadaj? I don't know how to spell his name) in FF7, he came out of nowhere with no previous reference in FF7, so I find that to be null. But I do give some compensations to FF7 though. If you didn't play the game, then watched FF7:AC, I could imagine you being absolutely clueless, being as most of the time the characters are presented by jumping out at random when a battle is around. For instance, as the movie went, no Yuffie, no RED XIII, just the basic main guys. But oh ****, when there's a battle, they ALL come out of basically NOWHERE.

It's just like wazzam, hello, I'm here, where can I buy a phone? Who stole my Materia? Shut your trap missy, and all this.

The movie was highly unrealistic, but I guess this makes sense because it IS Final Fantasy after-all. But for some reason watching Cloud..


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But for some reason watching Cloud jump up that high into the air, kill Bahamut ( I believe that's what it was ) then plummet to the earth from that high, only to land on his feet and be A-OK to be a bit much. Like in the game, Cloud fell in the beginning after killing AeroBuster, or whatever. He fell, everyone was worried, and the bed of flowers broke his fall. Oh thank goodness. But in the movie, he lands on his feet hundreds of stories below and is just all "Well ok, lol w/e what's next?"

I know Final Fantasy is unrealistic, but to me this overdid it.

It didn't help that most of the time through the movie you couldn't tell what was happening because it was all coming at you so fast. There wasn't many parts where things slowed down enough for you to catch up. Don't try to tell me I'm slow, most of the movie was mindless fighting, and in those fights it was hard to tell exactly what was going on.

Another thing that got me was how in the end, Sephiroth was so easy to kill? Wow?

Cloud suddenly busts out his mighty OmniSlash and owns him, this ability just coming out of nowhere and finishing Sephiroth so easily and so soon made the movie kinda lame in my opinion. He's supposed to be "that guy", you know? The big badass. Not the guy who gets owned in less then 5 minutes. In the end of the movie, he gets shot in the back and basically dies, but then they say he has no place here and he's brought back to life. Ah, of course. It's kinda like watching Dragonball Z all over again. No main character actually "dies" and stays dead. They always come back, just need a ******** excuse.

The move was over-rated. If you like a bunch of mindless fighting that's hard to keep up with, this is for you.

Edited, Mon May 8 05:57:52 2006 by Kasunpla
#8 May 08 2006 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
I rented it 2 weeks ago. The action was great and all but not enough from the secondary characters like Cid, Yuffie, Red, etc. They had few lines and only a couple quick scenes. Otherwise the visuals and sound were amazing and the story was pretty solid.

#9 May 08 2006 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that too. They appeared once or twice, and each time they weren't there for long. A quick howdy-do for a couple minutes then back to hovering around Cloud and Tifa. And for some reason, I didn't quite picture Cloud as some western guy. I mean, he sounds REALLY western. Cowboy-esque, with his accent. I thought that was a mismatching accent in my opinion, but eh. I never really thought about how he should sound, only how he shouldn't.
#10 May 08 2006 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
I chalk that up to being that the movie *is* supposed to be about Cloud, which is why most other characters got shorted on time. Though Vincent got more time, due to DoC being in the works, so that's good.

The plot is there, unless you're too ADD/ADHD to look past the fight scenes. Past knowledge of FFVII helps a lot, but even w/o that, as long as you have a basic understanding of JP RPG's, you shouldn't have a big problem catching it.

The general theme of the movie was mostly about "learning when to forgive yourself", though honestly, I think all of them should feel eternally guilty for letting Aeris/Aerith die. It's called a Phoenix Down Smiley: mooglefUckers! Smiley: mad

You get shot/stabbed/lasered/bombed/bitten/etc constantly throughout the game/story and can shrug it off, but some fruity little momma's boy with an Oedipus complex comes along and runs somebody through, you choke? WTF?
#11 May 08 2006 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, I let that ***** lay on the ground 4-5 rounds of combat and she revived just fine...

I really loved the sound in the movies. The themes brought me right back to where I was when I was playing the game.

Two things. One, now Cloud is like level 99+, right? Thats why he can fall and not get hurt. He is partialy fused with infinity and junk. Another, Sepiroth was a pushover in the game. Why shouldn't he be in the sequel. After killing Ruby and Emerald weapon... yea, he was cake.

I liked the movie mainly for the nostalgia factor.
#12 May 08 2006 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
There were plenty of things missing that we all would have liked to see. But when you remember it was supposed to be a movie and not a 4 disk epic again it put things back into perspective.

I mean, I wished they had more time for the other characters like Red, Sid ect. I wish they showed more known powers from the game like limits and materia. More summons, elaboration or thickening of the plot would have been nice too. But given how long they have been working on it and all the delays I’m none the less happy with what they came out with.

Honestly people, we could have had another FF: Spirits Within on our hands, no one wants/deserves that. Smiley: frown

Edited, Mon May 8 11:36:53 2006 by bbking
#13 May 08 2006 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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inthefade Esquire wrote:
Old news is so exciting.


If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!
#14 May 08 2006 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I think it had a solid story but like KAsunpla stated the fight scenes was just completely out of hand. I won't give away any plot spoilers but its really just insane. I know its not supposed to be a realisic movie, but it doesn't go along with the story and the physical limitations that FF7 charactors had/should have. I mean sure if superman was in the movie I could see, but even a person with JEnova in them doesn't have that power, it just defies the laws of physics.

I seen the one from Japan through alternate means quite awhile ago (had english subtitles). If you played through and loved FF7 then I still recommend picking it up or renting it for the story alone.

Visual wise I think they did a excellent job with the adult charactors, however the children seemed like they was thrown together with less details etc.
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#15 May 08 2006 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
fronglo wrote:
it just defies the laws of physics


I hate to break your precious reality bubble but as soon as you have people shooting beams out of their 8ft long swords and summoning dragons, physics no longer exist.

It’s fantasy, its supposed to be make-believe, they are supposed to do the things you can’t. And who gives a rats *** if its realistic or not, I’d rather see them run up buildings and cut them in half then a run of the mill sword fight, any jackhole can do that.
#16 May 08 2006 at 7:20 PM Rating: Decent
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This is obviously where different opinions come in. There was plenty of things I found kinda dumb. For instance, when that one guy, I don't know his name, walks into the Church where Tifa and Marlene are at, it's like. He says hello, and they fight. Well, last I knew. Tifa didn't even know the guy. He could just be a visitor coming to admire the flowers. But instead it's like she instantly knows it's go time, or else maybe she just likes kicking the crap out of any visitors? I don't know, but it was off-balance.

I know it's fantasy, alright? But seeing a guy fall from the clouds and land on earth with no harm done is a bit far-fetch'd. There's a difference between fantasy and simply going too far. If it was this way, what was Cloud doing throughout the entire game? I mean, if he can fall from a dozen stories and be fine, then I'm pretty sure that he could've confronted everything with that perspective.

Run up the walls, unleash your limit breaks, pull all sorts of crazy dodging moves out of your ***. If the movie was like the game, the game would've been pretty damn dull if you ask me.

But OK sure, the movie is two years in the future. Could things have possibly changed THAT much? I find that to be redundant. In two years time he goes from almost dying by falling a few stories but is saved by landing in flowers, to being able to fall from the heavens and land on his feet without a wince of pain.

I know it's Final Fantasy, I am a Final Fantasy fan, but some parts of this movie went to the extreme, alright?

If you're about to pull the "As if summoning a dragon isn't a bit extreme" card, then you don't understand what I'm getting at.
#17 May 08 2006 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
This thread is pure pu[pink][/pink]ssy repelant.
#18 May 08 2006 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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You kidding me!? Pu'ssy LOVES FFVII!

Edited, Mon May 8 21:04:10 2006 by Roller
#19 May 08 2006 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Kasunpla wrote:


But for some reason watching Cloud jump up that high into the air, kill Bahamut ( I believe that's what it was ) then plummet to the earth from that high, only to land on his feet and be A-OK to be a bit much. Like in the game, Cloud fell in the beginning after killing AeroBuster, or whatever. He fell, everyone was worried, and the bed of flowers broke his fall. Oh thank goodness. But in the movie, he lands on his feet hundreds of stories below and is just all "Well ok, lol w/e what's next?"

I know Final Fantasy is unrealistic, but to me this overdid it.

Uh, he's like level 5 when he falls from the Aerobuster incident. He's 99 at this point.

Kasunpla wrote:

It didn't help that most of the time through the movie you couldn't tell what was happening because it was all coming at you so fast. There wasn't many parts where things slowed down enough for you to catch up. Don't try to tell me I'm slow, most of the movie was mindless fighting, and in those fights it was hard to tell exactly what was going on.

You're slow. The movie's plot was exceedingly simple. Rufus and the Turks are trying to hide what's left of Jenova from the n44bs. Kadaj and his ******* are pissed. They run around causing **** to try and reawaken Sephiroth. Cloud kicks all of their asses, because he's Cloud. When Jenova is shattered, the waters essence cures geostigma.

Kasunpla wrote:

Another thing that got me was how in the end, Sephiroth was so easy to kill? Wow?

Cloud suddenly busts out his mighty OmniSlash and owns him, this ability just coming out of nowhere and finishing Sephiroth so easily and so soon made the movie kinda lame in my opinion. He's supposed to be "that guy", you know? The big badass. Not the guy who gets owned in less then 5 minutes. In the end of the movie, he gets shot in the back and basically dies, but then they say he has no place here and he's brought back to life. Ah, of course. It's kinda like watching Dragonball Z all over again. No main character actually "dies" and stays dead. They always come back, just need a ******** excuse.


I killed Sephiroth ingame by puting on a ******** of counter attack materia, and final move-summon phoenix or whatever the hell its name was, and then went AFK to grab a drink.
#20 May 09 2006 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I wish they showed more known powers from the game like limits and materia.


Meh. The materia was mainly a sidebar in AC for Kadaj and co. to up their powers. As for Limits, anyone who actually fought did use various limits. In the single fight in the church, Tifa used three of four. You just had to watch closer as some lost their flashy PSX graphics and were more part of a real combo.

As for the unrealistic aspect it's been said again and again. it's based on a game and at the end of said game you were (generally) lvl 60+, most of those who enjoyed the game going all out to 99.

But then you have the 'but why Can't cloud win at the beginning?' principle. To that I'd say an affect of the Geostigma. In game terms I'd say the stigma reduced his strength or level and as he fights it and is then eventually healed he relevels. His battles become noticeably easier. He gets hurt less, his enemies take more damage, etc.

As for Sephiroth, the final point of the game was that Cloud and Sephiroth were connected and that it would ultimately fall to Cloud to kill him. At the end battle, Cloud automatically reaches his potential, acquiring Omnislash whether or not you get it yourself. At that point he becomes stronger than Sephiroth, who you have to remember never really exceeded lvl 50.

Or you could look at it from the film perspective. Kadaj and his brothers were Jenova born spirits (clearer in the Japanese version than American)and when Kadaj absorbs Jenova and starts the catalyst, he is incomplete - only at 1/3 of his full power, meaning the resulting Sephiroth is also weaker. add to that being 'newborn' again and it might make a bit more sense.

As for Cloud surviving the gunshot wound? Meh, he fell in the Lifestream and came out more coherent than ever before. Wherever he goes, Aeris' spirit is still watching him. The 'cure' for Geostigma when it first erupted was a rather convincing replay of Aeris' Healing Rain Limit, down to the faint green glow. Also, there is the Mako infusion, Jenova cell mix that seemed to make deadly wounds repairable, such as being impaled through the chest by the Masamune, falling a stupidly long distance and landing on your head (probably) and yes, shot.

And then again we could just say Fantasy. Rufus was in a building that got shot to hell in the game but is unscathed in the film, aside from his Geostigma. Go figure.

There was also a question of the vocie acting? It was..s passable. coulda done with a bit more tweaking on a few of them, but the main problem was in the translation. I mean what the hell was with that 'dilly dally, shilly shally' crap? They seemed more interested in keeping the rhythm and lip synch than actualy making sense... (the original version was something like 'always drifting, always drifting')

...Yes, I pay too much attention and anaylse too much. I liked the game, still do. One of the best RPGs I've played and the film did a decent job.

On a small note on the game tself.. did anyone ever figure out if the Cursed Ring could actually be made more useful? (If you don't know what the ring was or how to get it... for shame.)
#21 May 09 2006 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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The Japanese version of this was fine, but they did a HORRIBLE job with the English version. The voice acting for some of the characters is awful.

I can sum up everything wrong with the English translation in four words:

Silly Sally Dilly Dally.
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