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#1 May 02 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Four of the nation's top arson experts have concluded that the state of Texas executed a man in 2004 based on scientifically invalid evidence, and they called for an official re-investigation of the case.

In a report released this morning, the experts, assembled by the Innocence Project, a non-profit organization responsible for scores of exonerations, concluded that the conviction and 2004 execution of Cameron Todd Willingham for the arson-murders of his three daughters was based on interpretations by fire investigators that have been scientifically disproved.
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In strong language harshly critical of the investigation of the 1991 fire in Corsicana, located southeast of Dallas, the report said evidence examined in the Willingham case and "relied upon by fire investigators" was the type of evidence "routinely created by accidental fires."

Since the death penalty was reinstated in the United States in 1976, 1,020 men and women have been executed, with more than one-third—362—in Texas.

Although more than 100 people have been released from death row in the United States during that same time, there has been no official conclusion by any government authority that an innocent person has been executed.
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The report assessing the two cases notes that even though the interpretations of the physical evidence in the Willis case were the same as in the Willingham case, authorities in Texas have declined to say that Willingham was wrongly convicted and executed. The report said the "disparity of the outcomes in these two cases warrants a closer inspection."


Where do they go from here? How can one honestly support the death pentalty when cases like these come up? I mean, I know the arguement. Smiley: disappointed
#2 May 02 2006 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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the conviction and 2004 execution of Cameron Todd Willingham for the arson-murders of his three daughters


What a terribly thing to be wrongly accused of. That's just so sad, and now he'll never know that his name is being cleared.

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#3 May 02 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Have to break a few eggs in order to make an omelette?
#4 May 02 2006 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
That's just so sad, and now he'll never know that his name is being cleared.


A real fuc[gold][/gold]king tragedy, yeah:

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/willingham899.htm
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Two days before Christmas in 1991, Willingham poured a combustible liquid on the floor throughout his home and intentionally set the house on fire, resulting in the death of his three children. According to autopsy reports, Amber, age two, and twins Karmon and Kameron, age 1, died of acute carbon monoxide poisoning as a result of smoke inhalation. Neighbors of Willingham testified that as the house began smoldering, Willingham was “crouched down” in the front yard, and despite the neighbors’ pleas, refused to go into the house in any attempt to rescue the children. An expert witness for the State testified that the floors, front threshold, and front concrete porch were burned, which only occurs when an accelerant has been used to purposely burn these areas. The witness further testified that this igniting of the floors and thresholds is typically employed to impede firemen in their rescue attempts. The testimony at trial demonstrates that Willingham neither showed remorse for his actions nor grieved the loss of his three children. Willingham’s neighbors testified that when the fire “blew out” the windows, Willingham “hollered about his car” and ran to move it away from the fire to avoid its being damaged. A fire fighter also testified that Willingham was upset that his dart board was burned. Willingham told authorities that the fire started while he and the children were asleep. An investigation revealed that it was intentionally set with a flammable liquid. His claims of heroic effort to save the girls were not borne out by his unscathed escape with little smoke in his lungs.


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"The only statement I want to make is that I am an innocent man convicted of a crime I did not commit. I have been persecuted for 12 years for something I did not do. From God's dust I came and to dust I will return so the Earth shall become my throne. I gotta go, Road Dog." He expressed love to someone named Gabby and then addressed his ex-wife, Stacy Kuykendall, who was watching about 8 feet away through a window and said several times, "I hope you rot in Hell, *****." He then attempted to maneuver his hand, strapped at the wrist, into an obscene gesture. His former wife showed no reaction to the outburst.


That poor innocent man.

He wasn't ordered to die on the basis of the fire investigator's report alone. The Innocence Project has found one area in which they feel evidence might have warranted a different conclusion; it may warrant an investigation into the matter, but I do not find it an appropriate reason to assume that the convicted was not guilty.
#5 May 02 2006 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh...well in that case, it's too bad they didn't roast him over an open flame with an apple in his mouth.

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#6 May 02 2006 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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Such sarcasm.

I was merely trying to point out that people rushing to the defense of this poor, maligned man are doing so on the basis of a news article alone. Snap decision making has become a hallmark of our society; we substitute gut feelings and opinions for rational, ordered thought.

Irritating.




Same link;

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CRIMINAL HISTORY/PUNISHMENT PHASE EVIDENCE

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals summarized the evidence presented during the punishment phase of Willingham’s trial as follows:

At the punishment phase of trial, testimony was presented that Willingham has a history of violence. He has been convicted of numerous felonies and misdemeanors, both as an adult and as a juvenile, and attempts at various forms of rehabilitation have proven unsuccessful.

The jury also heard evidence of Willingham’s character. Witnesses testified that Willingham was verbally and physically abusive toward his family, and that at one time he beat his pregnant wife in an effort to cause a miscarriage. A friend of Willingham’s testified that Willingham once bragged about brutally killing a dog. In fact, Willingham openly admitted to a fellow inmate that he purposely started this fire to conceal evidence that the children had been abused.

Dr. James Grigson testified for the state at punishment. According to his testimony, Willingham fits the profile of a sociopath whose conduct becomes more violent over time, and who lacks a conscience. Grigson explained that a person with this degree of sociopathy commonly has no regard for other people’s property or for other human beings. He expressed his opinion that an individual demonstrating this type of behavior can not be rehabilitated in any manner, and that such a person certainly poses a continuing threat to society.
#7 May 02 2006 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wingchild wrote:
Such sarcasm.



No, you're misunderstanding me, I wasn't being sarcastic in the slightest. Fickle perhaps, but not sarcastic.

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#8 May 02 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Such sarcasm.


You sure about that?
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#9 May 02 2006 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:

You sure about that?


hehe, Samira knows me better.

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#10 May 02 2006 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe they'll make a movie out of it.

Kevin Spacey can play Willingham, and Kate Winslet the Chicago Tribune reporter.
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#11 May 02 2006 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
Its a shame we can't let the punishment fit the crime in this country. Burning him would have been poetical and stuff.
#12 May 02 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:

poetical and stuff.


I do so love your way with words! Smiley: inlove

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The above was not sarcasm.
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#13 May 02 2006 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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*smirks*

rebuke accepted, olive branch offered; I forget my place as a perennial visitor and ascribe personality traits unfairly in my haste to critique.
#14 May 02 2006 at 2:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wingchild wrote:
*smirks*

rebuke accepted, olive branch offered; I forget my place as a perennial visitor and ascribe personality traits unfairly in my haste to critique.


Oh I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sarcastic half the time and just sound like I am the other half. Discerning which sort of *** I'm being at any given moment is skill that can only be honed over time. Of course, I'm female.

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#15 May 02 2006 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
Wingchild wrote:
*smirks*

rebuke accepted, olive branch offered; I forget my place as a perennial visitor and ascribe personality traits unfairly in my haste to critique.


Oh I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sarcastic half the time and just sound like I am the other half. Discerning which sort of *** I'm being at any given moment is skill that can only be honed over time. Of course, I'm female.

I resent that implication. I'm a female as well, and my assyness is perfectly transparent.
#16 May 02 2006 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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I resent that implication. I'm a female as well, and my assyness is perfectly transparent.

You can't resent that. Your assyness has nothing to do with your ******.
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