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#1 Apr 25 2006 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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The wife's thinking about doing her masters online there. Anyone have any thoughts or knowledge about their creditability? (Nexa, I'm looking in your direction)

Her biggest concern is employers looking at it as less than other degrees and blowing over 20k+ for nothing. We've looked all over the net and found about 50-50 good and bad so I was hoping someone here would have some insight.


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#2 Apr 25 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
I thought the tuition for them was outrageous. It starts at $400 a credit hour and goes up past $600 per hour.

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Application Fee $45

Undergraduate tuition
Business/Technology $460/credit hour
Nursing $400/credit hour

Graduate tuition
Business/Technology $570/credit hour
Nursing/Education $450/credit hour

Doctoral tuition $645/credit hour


Edited, Tue Apr 25 16:50:08 2006 by Wint
#3 Apr 25 2006 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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You buy your degree. It's pretty much acknowledged by the business industry.

But, it is better than no further education at all. Some people don't have the time or money to attend a "regular" master's program, so it's the best you can do.
#4 Apr 25 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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It's sick

$588 per hour, the whoe degree which she can have done in a year and a half will cost 24k.


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#5 Apr 25 2006 at 3:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I once thought about them and asked the company comptroller if our tution reimbursement covered online classes. He said he'd be willing to go to bat for me to have us cover it if I enrolled as he had a very good opinion of them. He also mentioned that he was once courted to teach online for another university but he declined as he wasn't really happy with the teaching model. Not that he didn't think online courses could be effective but he preferred actual face-to-face contact with his students.

By the way, if you call UoP online, prepare yourself for a very hard sell from the guy on the other end of the phone.

Edit: The prohibitive cost was a large part of what kept from pursuing it further. Well, that and a lack of interest in the subject matter.

Edited, Tue Apr 25 16:54:03 2006 by Jophiel
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#6 Apr 25 2006 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
You'd be better off finding a local school and taking night classes. It takes longer but the degree you earn would carry much more weight with employers.

Also, a greater number of schools are offering at least part of their classes online.

Keep looking.
#7 Apr 25 2006 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
So is this only available for Bachelors, or can you by a Masters or Ph.D?
#8 Apr 25 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll be honest and say I have very little experience with them. That said, what is it that attracts her to them? The online classes? You'll find that most of the large universities offer many degrees that can be taken almost entirely online and would be a fraction of the price.

Also, while I would consider them more seriously for an undergraduate degree, I think that using them for something as considerable as a Master's would be out for me personally. That's just my opinion though. Employers (and if she wants to go even further, graduate schools), will take where you got your graduate degrees more strongly into consideration than where you got your undergrad.

One last thing to consider: Is there another university (maybe state or something) that accepts transfer credits from UPhoenix? If so she could perhaps take some classes through them and see how it's going for her, then transfer them into another graduate program, where she would actually get her degree.

May I ask what she wishes to get her degree in?

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#9 Apr 25 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
Aegis wrote:
The wife's thinking about doing her masters online there. Anyone have any thoughts or knowledge about their creditability? (Nexa, I'm looking in your direction)

Her biggest concern is employers looking at it as less than other degrees and blowing over 20k+ for nothing. We've looked all over the net and found about 50-50 good and bad so I was hoping someone here would have some insight.


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They let female goats get college degrees nowadays? Smiley: confused
#10 Apr 25 2006 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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My husband and I attend our classes online, but the classes are offered through the local community college as opposed to a "virtual campus." I'm pretty leery of any college that has only a virtual campus.

I would look to see if any local colleges are offering any online options.

Wherever your wife decides, make sure the college's accreditation is kosher.
#11 Apr 25 2006 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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thought the tuition for them was outrageous. It starts at $400 a credit hour and goes up past $600 per hour.

Edit:

Application Fee $45

Undergraduate tuition
Business/Technology $460/credit hour
Nursing $400/credit hour

Graduate tuition
Business/Technology $570/credit hour
Nursing/Education $450/credit hour

Doctoral tuition $645/credit hour


So Mr. Math...did you price out the cost of the degree?
#13 Apr 25 2006 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Masters of Health Administration I think is what it was called. She currently has Bachelors in health science.

What attracts her to it is the fact she can do it all online. We work opposite shifts with her on nights so going to class physically won’t work for her at all without daycare which is really not an option at this point.
#14 Apr 25 2006 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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They let female goats get college degrees nowadays?


Yes, it's called a B.A.A.
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#15 Apr 25 2006 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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They let female goats get college degrees nowadays?


Yes, it's called a B.A.A.



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#16 Apr 25 2006 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
It's really sort of sad that the midevil ages guild system has reappeared in the form of degrees. Along with expectations of grade inflation and all the rest. Lions, and tigers, and MDs {Run Away!}.

IMO, I would avoid this particular school if at all possible, as I would say credibility is bottom of the barrel. You might want to check out any local college possibilities including their evening and online course selections. It's hard to say whether local community colleges are more credible, but in this notorious instance I would say they well could be.

But I would qualify that by saying it probably really depends more on what field it is. If it's a field that's more performance based (like say the financial industry) you can probably get away with bottom barrel qualifications and still work your way up. Since it's the piece of paper that seems to matter most I would avoid degrees with "Online" or "Community" in them. Maybe you can look for that shady Panasoanic brand name knock off. {roll eyes}

I just cannot in all seriousness fathom the concept of pissing away $20k for stuff a person could theoretically do on their own for a few hundred dollars. It's bogus to the max to coin a phrase.

I also forsee major EU socialist state like problems down the road with frilly titles. Instead of the King granting title, it's now the University.

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I just cannot in all seriousness fathom the concept of pissing away $20k for stuff a person could theoretically do on their own for a few hundred dollars.
You can get a degree for a couple hundred bucks?
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#18 Apr 25 2006 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Aegis wrote:
Masters of Health Administration I think is what it was called. She currently has Bachelors in health science.

What attracts her to it is the fact she can do it all online. We work opposite shifts with her on nights so going to class physically won’t work for her at all without daycare which is really not an option at this point.


And you live where, roughly?

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#19 Apr 25 2006 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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So Mr. Math...did you price out the cost of the degree?


Nope, I just know that I'll be paying $151/hour for mine and thought they sounded high. Although, after looking at my college's out of state tuition rates ($448 for undergrad), they really aren't that bad.
#20 Apr 25 2006 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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Aegis wrote:
Masters of Health Administration I think is what it was called. She currently has Bachelors in health science.

What attracts her to it is the fact she can do it all online. We work opposite shifts with her on nights so going to class physically won’t work for her at all without daycare which is really not an option at this point.
As that's my subject matter, I'm prepared to offer online tuition in return for hawt G04t CyB0rz.

It's a fraction of what Harvard and Oxford pay me (Harvard = $175 an hr, Oxford = 5 minutes with the college chaplain) but I'm that kind of guy.
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#21 Apr 25 2006 at 4:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is it this one?

Sorry, I'm checking something. And for all you wishing I'd pm him, **** off, this is easier.

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#22 Apr 25 2006 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Yes Nexa, I believe that's it.
#24 Apr 25 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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You can get a degree for a couple hundred bucks?


No, you can get all the information required for the degree for a couple hundred bucks. Information + Study/Application = Knowledge. All the rest is snake oil gimmickery. You just know there are a ton and growing number of people with "Degrees" out there that are idiots. Like I said it's a huge growing classicism/midevil guild system. It's all rent seeking monopoly protection behavior, no different then patent and copyright "protection".
#25 Apr 25 2006 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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A recent Undersecretary of Ed for Higher Education had a Phoenix Degree. I wish I could remember her name, but she served during Bush's first term. In any case, they're fairly reputable now and getting more so every day, and UoP is by far the most prestigious, although pricey.
#26 Apr 25 2006 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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But I do know that I have heard more than one time that degrees through UoP and such are about as worthless as a degree from a community college. They will take anyone over you that has a degree from an actual University.


Kind of old actually but Year 2000 said:

Her views are reflected in a 2000 survey by Vault.com, a New York City-based employment research Web site. Among the 239 human-resources professionals and recruiters surveyed, only 30% report having encountered applicants with online degrees. Yet only 26% say an online bachelor's degree is as credible as a traditional bachelor's degree. About two-thirds -- 61% -- say an online bachelor's degree isn't as credible but is still acceptable, while the remaining 13% say online bachelor's degrees aren't credible or acceptable.

Likewise, only 37% consider online graduate degrees as credible as traditional graduate degrees; 54% say they're not as credible but still acceptable; and 9% say online graduate degrees aren't credible or acceptable.

Obviously, convincing employers of the value of an online degree is an uphill battle for applicants who hold them. Knowing the perceived strengths and weaknesses of online education will help you decide if this is the right degree route for you. You'll also want to review how to sell your new degree to employers if you decide to head down the distance-learning path.


Also, I remember applying to my local University for Grad school and one of the requirements was that no more than 30 hours could be taken on-line. If she decides to transfer to another university the hours may not transfer either ...

Sept 2005 agreed as well

Now you might say that 2nd link is from a college so it is biased, the only links I saw that approved on-line degrees were from on-line campuses.

Edited, Tue Apr 25 17:23:12 2006 by Kronig
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