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#1 Apr 23 2006 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now is it just me, or is this kind of creepy when you think about it? I can see the ol' stinkbomb prank in high school taking on a whole new level of wierdness, or otherwise creepy guys using this stuff as cologne and cheating nature? I dunno.

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Billed as libido in an atomiser, PT-141 will finally offer women the chance to turn on their sexual desire as and when they need it. Or so the science says. But there are concerns. Will sex in a spray usher in an age of 'McNookie' - quick easy couplings low on emotional nutrition? Julian Dibbell reports

Sunday April 23, 2006
The Observer

Horn of rhinoceros. ***** of tiger. Root of sea holly. Husk of the emerald-green blister beetle known as the Spanish fly. So colourful and exotic is the list of substances that have been claimed to heighten sexual appetite that it is hard not to feel a twinge of disappointment on first beholding the latest entry - a small, white plastic nasal inhaler containing an odourless, colourless synthetic chemical called PT-141. Plain as it is, however, there is one thing that distinguishes PT-141 from the 4,000 years' worth of recorded medicinal aphrodisiacs that precede it: this one actually works.
And it could reach the market in as little as three years. The full range of possible risks and side effects has yet to be determined, but already this much is known: a dose of PT-141 results, in most cases, in a stirring in the loins in as little as 15 minutes. Women, according to one set of results, feel 'genital warmth, tingling and throbbing', not to mention 'a strong desire to have sex'.

Among men who have been tested with the drug more extensively, the data set is richer: 'With PT-141, you feel good,' reported anonymous patient 007: 'not only sexually aroused, you feel younger and more energetic.' According to another patient, 'It helped the libido. So you have the urge and the desire...' Tales of pharmaceutically induced sexual prowess among 58-year-olds are common enough in the age of the Little Blue Pill, but they don't typically involve quite so urgent a repertoire. Or, as patient 128 put it: 'My wife knows. She can tell the difference between Viagra and PT-141.'

The precise mechanisms by which PT-141 does its job remain unclear, but the rough idea is this: where Viagra acts on the circulatory system, helping blood flow into the *****, PT-141 goes to the brain itself. 'It's not merely allowing a sexual response to take place more easily,' explains Michael A Perelman, co-director of the Human Sexuality Program at New York Presbyterian Hospital and a sexual-medicine adviser on the PT-141 trials. 'It may be having an effect, literally, on how we think and feel.'

Palatin Technologies, the New Jersey-based maker of PT-141, has hopes of its own. Once the company gets Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for the drug, Palatin plans to market it to the same people targeted by Viagra: male erectile-dysfunction patients. Approval as a treatment for female sexual dysfunction may follow. In the wake of Pfizer's failed attempts to prove Viagra works for women and amid growing recognition that it also doesn't work for large numbers of men, these two markets alone could make PT-141 a pharmaceutical blockbuster.

But let's face facts: a drug that makes you not only able but eager and willing isn't going to remain the exclusive property of the severely impaired. As with Viagra, there will be extensive off-label use of PT-141. Fast-acting and long-lasting, packaged in an easily concealed, single-use nasal inhaler, unaffected by food or alcohol consumption, PT-141 seems bound to take its place alongside cocaine, poppers and alcohol in the pantheon of club drugs.

But the potential market for PT-141 is all of us. Consider the precedent: a little more than four decades ago, it was another drug's arrival in the marketplace that triggered the sexual revolution. Before the advent of the birth-control pill, sex and procreation had been eternally, inseparably linked. After it, the link was pretty much optional. Momentous things ensued: chiefly women's liberation and the abortion controversy, all of them arguably the pill's indirect consequences, all of them reverberating to this day. And if all that can follow from a drug which simply made pregnancy less a matter of fate than of choice, what then to expect from a drug that does the same thing to passion itself?

Only when and if PT-141 reaches the market will we be in a position to even start answering that question. But, for now, there probably isn't a better way to hone the question than to turn to the rats of the Palatin Technologies research labs.

'In a rat, there's a mating ritual,' says Palatin's CEO Carl Spana. 'The female rat will approach the male head-to-head. She will wiggle her ears, she will wiggle her whiskers, she will nibble at him, and finally she'll turn and run away.' If the male chooses not to pursue her, she may return and, as one leading rat sexologist puts it, 'kick him in the face'. This tends to do the trick. The male gives chase, catches the female and climbs on top of her, at which point only two key preparations remain to be completed. First, so that the female's low-slung genitalia can be reached from above, her hindquarters will bend upward in a reflexive arching of the back called lordosis. Second, so that the male may take advantage of this invitation, his ***** will emerge from its hiding place under the abdominal fur. 'And then,' Spana concludes, 'they copulate.'

Spana's familiarity with the sex life of rats is, of course, no accident: it was the lab rats of Palatin that established the drug's potential for promoting what's known in the trade as 'erectogenesis'. The experiment, repeated hundreds of times, was a straightforward one. 'You dose and you watch and you count,' Spana explains. Every time the ***** of a subject rat emerged, observers marked down the event in a notebook. The subjects, all 'naive' adults whose last contact with a female was on the day their mothers weaned them, seemed to have had, if anything, slightly less curiosity about their spontaneously generated erections than the researchers. The typical reaction: 'He notices it's there, and he grooms it to detumescence,' says Annette Shadiack, Palatin's executive director of pre-clinical development. 'And then it happens again.'

The high erection count was good news for Palatin's management, who were banking on PT-141 to prove itself an effective treatment for erectile dysfunction. Two years earlier, and just three years past its start-up, the company had bought the rights to develop a substance called Melanotan II. Originally isolated by University of Arizona researchers looking for a way to give Caucasians a healthy, sunblocking tan without exposing them to dangerous ultraviolet rays, Melanotan II achieved that and more: it also appeared to facilitate weight loss, increase sexual appetite and act as an anti-inflammatory, too. Quickly dubbed 'the Barbie drug', Melanotan II seemed too good to be true.

In fact, it was too good to be good. A drug with so many effects, Palatin decided, was not an effectively marketable one. So Palatin's researchers set out to isolate the individual effects in the laboratory, experimenting with variations on Melanotan II's molecular theme. The compound that became PT-141 was one of the first variations examined.

The market analysis was encouraging. As a late entrant in the market for erectile-dysfunction treatments, PT-141 stood a decent chance of mopping up the floor. By this stage in Viagra's life cycle, for instance, it was clear that the drug solved nothing for perhaps 50 per cent of impotent patients, either because their general health was too poor to risk Viagra's side effects or because it simply didn't work for them. But existing Viagra users weren't out of play either: PT-141 had a potential edge not just in ease of use, but in quality of results. ('On the five-point scale,' said patient 041, 'I would rate the erection I had as a six.') And there was a final and especially intriguing possibility: since PT-141 affects arousal through a different, more brain-centric mechanism than Viagra, might it work for women with sexual dysfunction?

It was in pursuit of this market that Shadiack approached Concordia University behavioural-neurobiology researcher Jim Pfaus, whose work with sexual response in female rats had caught her attention. Where the bulk of research into female-rat sexual behaviour has focused on lordosis - that reflexive arching of the lower back that signifies the female is ready - Pfaus has taken what might be called a more feminist approach. Instead of lordosis's almost climactic spasm, Pfaus prefers to look at foreplay: the wiggling of ears, kicking of faces, and other acts of solicitation with which female rats reveal their desire to the partner of their choice. Pfaus discovered that PT-141 significantly increases the incidence of these behaviours. He even detected an increase in the rarer phenomenon in which a female rat will throw coyness to the winds and, in a performance worthy of Kim Cattrall, mount the chosen male herself.

And thus the case was made. Pfaus's results were powerful evidence not only of PT-141's potential as a treatment for women but of its ability to do more than just move blood around. A male rat's erection on its own doesn't say much about the rat's state of mind. A female rat's coquetry, on the other hand, says all we need to know about her intentions and desires. Rats aren't people, to be sure, and as test subjects they suffer from a frustrating inability to tell us, in words, how they experience what they're subjected to. But that has an upside, too, explains Pfaus. 'The bad thing about animals is they don't talk. The good thing is they don't lie.'

So the testimony of rats - notwithstanding that of the 900 articulate, full-grown human subjects who have since reported enhanced arousal and desire from taking PT-141 - remains the most objective evaluation the drug has yet received, or ever will.

'I see a lot of couples in my practice who don't know how to relax,' says Leonore Tiefer, a professor of psychiatry at New York University School of Medicine. 'That's fine - it's a big asset to them in their corporate lifestyle, where they can work 80 hours a week. They're trained to multi-task. Well, it doesn't seem that that is really doable when it comes to sex. And they're angry about that: they need it to be doable because they only have their five minutes.'

The five-minute meaningful sexual encounter: if ever there was a holy grail for the age of the tight-wired global economy - with its time-strapped labour force and its glut of bright, shiny distractions - that is it. And if ever there was a reason to be wary of the pharmaceutical industry's designs on the market for sexual healing, say critics such as Tiefer, it's the attractiveness of that simple-minded ideal.

Tiefer is one of the leading figures in a movement of academic researchers, sex therapists and women's-health activists contesting the increasing medicalisation of women's sexual problems, and when Procter & Gamble sought FDA approval in December 2004 for its 'female sexual-desire disorder' treatment - a testosterone patch called Intrinsa - her testimony helped sway the agency to deny the request. Unlike the counting of erections, assessing subjective phenomena such as desire and satisfaction is, she testified, 'subtle, complex - and arbitrary'. P&G's findings were thus too inconclusive to hold their own against the established risks of long-term testosterone use. 'Intrinsa is not a glass of chardonnay,' Tiefer remarked, 'and yet we have already seen that it may well be promoted with a giggle and a wink as "the female Viagra".'

Tiefer is just as dubious about PT-141, which, as she sees it, is merely the latest expression of a 'big wish' that 'we could just bypass everything we want to bypass' on our way to sexual happiness, skipping the complicated, often lifelong work of sorting out all the emotional, physical and autobiographical triggers that turn us off and on. Her prognosis for the discovery of a drug that will render that work unnecessary? 'Sorry, it's never going to happen.'

Even assuming that PT-141 ultimately performs as well in broad use as it has in trials, even granting that it can improve sex lives as effectively as a lifetime of erotic exploration, the deeper challenge posed by the prospect of a sexual techno-fix remains: is this really the kind of fix we want? To have desire available at any time, from the nozzle of an inhaler?

Good things would come of it, to be sure. Marriages would be saved, fun would be had. But sexual Utopia? PT-141 seems just as likely to usher in the age of McNookie: quick, easy couplings low on emotional nutrition. Sex lives tailored to the demands of a jealous office or an impatient spouse. A dark age of erotic self-ignorance tarted up in the bright-coloured packaging of a Happy Meal.

Deep in the post-industrial hinterlands of New Jersey, 100 snow-white Sprague-Dawley rats await the coming of darkness. Darkness falls each day at exactly 6pm, when an automated switch turns off the fluorescents and sets off a rustling din, like the sound of a sudden downpour, as all at once the rats rouse themselves and start to feed. They live in see-through high-rises: small Plexiglas cages stacked eight by eight in portable racks, one rat per unit, each unit connected to the outside world by its own HEPA-filtered ventilation system. Other aspects of everyday life as a lab animal at Palatin Technologies' New Jersey headquarters include immaculate bedding, healthy supplies of food and water, bone-shaped plastic chew toys and, screwed into the top of each animal's skull, a small, white, ceramic orb, the injection port through which the rats' brains are regularly dosed with a close chemical cousin of PT-141.

The drug they're testing now is an obesity drug - designed to block the appetite for food in much the same way PT-141 stimulates the appetite for sex - and its distinctly human goal of weight loss serves only to heighten the pervading Stuart Little effect here in the lab. Crowded in their little Plexiglas apartment buildings, sporting their spherical skullcaps, undergoing surgery from time to time with little rat-nose-shaped anaesthetic-gas masks strapped to their small faces - if you didn't know better, you might start to think of these sophisticated rodent urbanites as simply tiny people with fur and whiskers.

The funny thing is, it appears there's a certain humanlike subjectiveness to the sex life of lab animals as well. When Jim Pfaus tested PT-141 on his female rats, he based his experimental design partly on the work of Raul Paredes, a fellow rat sexologist testing the effects of something more elusive: personal autonomy. That's a tricky thing to measure, but it can be done. Paredes did it like this: first, he looked at rat couples living in standard, box-shaped cages and recorded the details of their sexual behaviour. Then, he altered the cages in only one particular: he divided them into two chambers with a clear wall broken only by one opening, too small for the males to get through but just right for the females. Architecturally it was a minor change, but what it did for the females was huge. It let them get away from the males whenever they chose to, and thereby made it entirely their choice whether to have sex. Paredes then observed the rats' behaviour in this altered setting. Here's what he found: the effects of giving a female rat greater personal control over her sex life are essentially the same as those of giving her PT-141. Autonomy, in other words, is as real an aphrodisiac as any substance known to science.

This doesn't surprise Leonore Tiefer, who sees evidence for it every working day, in sex lives that suffer in direct proportion to her clients' ignorance about desire in general and their own in particular. For Tiefer, striving to understand yourself is the sexiest sort of autonomy there is, and nothing betrays that autonomy like handing over the job to someone else, whether it's your lover, your doctor, or, worst of all, big pharmaceutical companies.

Jim Pfaus, not surprisingly, sees things a little differently. As it happens, Pfaus and Tiefer are friendly acquaintances, and he's sympathetic to her critiques of the industry.

'She's on a roll, and I think she has some valid points,' says Pfaus. But all the same: 'What do we tell postmenopausal women who have lost their desire, despite being in a loving and caring relationship? "Sorry, there's nothing we can do," or worse, "Sorry, but you shouldn't be having sex anyway"?'

The argument is a strong one. But so is Tiefer's. Each defends a vital sort of autonomy - the power of self-knowledge on the one hand; on the other, the freedom to grasp whatever tools of self-improvement are available to us. And if, after all the trials are done and the prescriptions are filled, PT-141 diminishes the former as much as it expands the latter, who's to say which matters more? Add up all the pluses and minuses, and in the end the sum may be zero. In short, no net change one way or the other in the world's total supply of sexual happiness.

But then, no one's asking PT-141 to change the world. It's enough to hope that someday, when you need it most, it just might get you through the night.

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#2 Apr 23 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Default
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Um...synopsis please?
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Women, according to one set of results, feel 'genital warmth, tingling and throbbing', not to mention 'a strong desire to have sex'.


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#4 Apr 23 2006 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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geez, I thought you'd at least make it through the first paragraph before giving up. It's an air delivered spray that, to quote fark is a "libido enhancer for women so powerful, it will have the same affect as George Clooney bringing them flowers at the office and offering to take them shoe shopping"
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#5 Apr 23 2006 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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A modern-day love potion number 8.

...number 9 is a little more permanent
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#6 Apr 23 2006 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
It's an air delivered spray that, to quote fark is a "libido enhancer for women so powerful, it will have the same affect as George Clooney bringing them flowers at the office and offering to take them shoe shopping"


I'll take 10. Smiley: grin

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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
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nope. didn't get that Kao

Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
. It's an air delivered spray that, to quote fark is a "libido enhancer for women so powerful, it will have the same affect as George Clooney bringing them flowers at the office and offering to take them shoe shopping"
Ahh. I see.

In England we call that "Bacardi & Coke".
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Nobby wrote:
In England we call that "Bacardi & Coke".


I'll take 10. Smiley: grin

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Tare wrote:
Nobby wrote:
In England we call that "Bacardi & Coke".


I'll take 10. Smiley: grin

Smiley: inlove

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#10 Apr 23 2006 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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McNookie?

Can I get that super-sized?

C'mon, it had to be said!




Edited, Sun Apr 23 17:04:09 2006 by Ambrya
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Meat Professor wrote:
It's an air delivered spray that, to quote fark is a "libido enhancer for women so powerful, it will have the same affect as George Clooney bringing them flowers at the office and offering to take them shoe shopping"
Was that so hard?
#12 Apr 23 2006 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
I remember when the predecessor of this was first announced. It's mentioned in the article: Melanotan. The researcher thought that the sexual arousal was a nice selling point but not a whole lot more.

The good part about this drug is that it works for both sexes. I can see the black market possibilities. Grab two of them from the guy that used to sell X and insure that you have a hell of a good date. It'll be big if it works that dramtically. Sportfocking will become an Olympic sport.
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Yes. Yes it was. Of course the first ******* paragraph of the article said exactly the same thing, but that's ok.

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Admins don't automatically supercede the swear filter? Interesting...
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I just don't usually bother unless i'm irritated.
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If this spray works as well as it sounds then I somewhat wonder how many rape cases are going to be created on the basis that unwanted sexual desires was forced on someone.
#17 Apr 23 2006 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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reported anonymous patient 007
I take it we've uncovered the next storyline in the 007 series.

007: stirring in the loins

Black-market trading and 007 girls with 'a strong desire to have sex'...so I suppose, just 'bout the same as the other 007's Smiley: laugh.
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On a related note, I was elated to see the former high school wrestling "stud" that girls would go all stupid over passing out samples of perfume in the mall the other day.

Good job for a 26 yr old.
#19 Apr 24 2006 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
I heard from a friend, that their friend's friend's second-cousin twice removed on her mother's side that in this one mall, there was a perfume sampler guy who had a girl sniff a sample and then the girl passed out because it was chloroform.

Yeah, true story. /nod
#20 Apr 24 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
I had a converstion with a customer once who was reporting his vehicle stolen after falling asleep at work. I asked what it was he did that could be so exhausting.

"Fragrance model," was his snappy reply.

Now I understand.
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The fact that it's odorless is the biggest point.

Just think; you finally got a date with the hot skirt that works down the hall, but she keeps checking her phone, looking bored, and generally avoiding eye contact. You get up to go to the bathroom, and on the way back, pop one of these and slip it under her seat.

An hour later, she's riding you like a free mechanical bull.
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#22 Apr 25 2006 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
What happened to the good ol' days? When if you're in the mood, you just club her and have your way, right-nice.
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