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#27 Apr 21 2006 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dress appearance is key. Wear the appropriate clothing dependent on what you are interviewing for. Blue collar = polo shirt and clean/new jeans. White collar = dress shirt + tie and dress pants.
I'd go so far as to say the minimum you should wear to any interview would be slacks and a dress shirt. Even if it leaves you well over-dressed for a position as a brick-layer, at least your potential employeer knows you cared enough about the interview to press your nice pants.
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#28 Apr 21 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Networking is the key. I know people, and they know I'm a hard worker and am dependable. I haven't really had to worry about an interview in about 7 years. During that time I've had jobs with 3 different companies, and got said jobs because I blew the right people.


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#29 Apr 21 2006 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
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Another important thing to remember. When you do get an interview with a prospective employer, spend a bit of time researching the company. I know a guy who considered that an automatic disqualification (and it's at least semi-important to most interviewers). An employer wants to know that you're interested in working there and will stick around for awhile (unless we're talking about contract work of course). One of the questions he'll ask is "So... why do you want to work for <insert company name>". If your answer includes information about what the company does, that's going to be a *huge* plus. If your answer is something like "I really need a paycheck", that's going to be a huge minus.

Remember. It's not just about you wanting to get something from them. They expect to get a greater value from you in return (otherwise it's not cost effective to hire you, right?). You need to do everything you can to make them feel like hiring you will benefit *them*. Don't overdo it, but definately tailor your responses and resume goals to the company and position you're trying to get.
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#30 Apr 21 2006 at 8:23 PM Rating: Good
Stuff a sock in your khakis to make it appear your junk is huge. Everyone wants to work with the well-endowed, because they think it might rub off on them.
#31 Apr 21 2006 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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Any mis-spelling or typo or poor grammer on the resume or cover letter got it instantly disqualified.
I am so not hiring you!

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#32 Apr 21 2006 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I find myself in a circumstance that doesn't follow the classic or traditional role regarding the employer/employee relationship.
"Workopolis.com John Izzo, March 2006" wrote:
Surveys show that employees are less committed to staying with one company. They also indicate that employees believe their companies are less loyal to them, as well.

I don't value commitment, because commitment is an end product (the result of) a healthy and mutual relationship. If a relationship is bad - abusive in some manifestation - then, I can't rationalize commitment to that relationship as being a redeeming quality or value.

My three year self-employment span is partially due to a line of thought that I don't want to keep adding job after job after job to an already bulging resume. This time was used to break a cycle of revolving employment and reflect upon how I could have handled those situations differently for a more positive and successful outcome for both my employer and myself.

Though hind-sight reflection will never truly end, I've made some conclusions.

1) Not all jobs are created equally; therefore, I have a fiduciary responsibility to seek employment that will most likely help me to balance work and life, setting me up for success rather than failure.

2) Once the job ceases to be interesting - there is nothing left to learn or no more growth potential -, my energies become more focused on finding other employment. Contrary to my job history, I desire job stability.

"Workopolis.com John Izzo, March 2006" wrote:
And employers who take the time to understand what that different loyalty means, and how to create it, will have a distinct advantage in attracting and keeping talent.Employee loyalty began to shift during the re-engineering craze of the mid-1980s, workplace experts say.

Once there was a stigma attached to companies that laid people off, but suddenly the practice became common. Even workers at large companies realized that lifetime job security was becoming rare.

Generation X workers, the post-boomers who entered the work force during the height of the downsizing trend, learned they had to watch out for themselves. And when the generation after that came along, workers were routinely changing jobs for the next great opportunity. They had gotten the message: Your career is up to you -- no one will take care of you.

A 2004 Watson-Wyatt survey showed that two out of every three Canadians keep their résumés up to date and less than half are committed to staying with their present employer.

Yet a desire to feel loyal remains. A fall, 2005, survey of Canadians conducted by the Izzo Group for my forthcoming book, Values Shift, showed that 71 per cent of Canadians under 40 would still prefer to stay with one company for their entire career -- if their needs were met by that company. Those needs, however, have changed along with the ever-shifting business climate.

One of the most significant changes is the central role that learning and career development play in the new loyalty.

Gallup's continuing work on employee engagement finds that having opportunities to learn and grow is a strong predictor of employee commitment.

A 2005 survey by Gantz Wiley Research found that the perception that career development opportunities existed within a company -- having opportunities to learn and grow --was the only significant predictor of employee loyalty for Gen X and Gen Y employees. What's more, the survey found that being "interested" in their work was the top predictor for turning down a new job.

A 2005 University of Guelph study found that employees who had made a job change (whether internal or external) were more loyal to their employers following the move. Job changes and new assignments produce more loyal employees even if they stay with the same company.

The point: We may not want to change employers as much as we want to be able to do different things. So the new employee loyalty may go more like this: As long as I am interested in what I am doing, I will stay. Another aspect of the new loyalty: an employee's relationship to the company brand.

Loyalty used to be based mostly on security; employees stayed even though they probably didn't feel a particular emotional connection with their organizations.

But there is mounting evidence that the new loyalty goes beyond self-interest to having an emotional connection and pride in the brand.

A large survey in the hotel industry by Market Metrix in 2004 showed that, when employees felt proud of their brand and had that emotional connection, it was the strongest predictor of loyalty.

And a 2005 survey by Hewlett-Packard Co. found that nine out of 10 Canadians said working for a company that was ethical and socially responsible was very important to them.

WestJet Airlines Ltd. has been running ads for months now saying, "At WestJet, we are owners." This is a company that works very hard to build a strong emotional connection between employee and brand. This kind of loyalty has benefits for a company beyond employee retention.

Employees who feel loyal to the idea of the brand also serve as compelling promoters of it to potential customers and employees, even after they leave its employ. Work-life balance is also a key driving force among the differently loyal.

According to Fortune magazine's studies of the best places to work in 2004 and 2005, more than 90 per cent of the 100 best have extensive programs to help employees achieve work-life balance -- a tenfold increase in 10 years) -- from flex time and job sharing to on-site daycare.

And there is significant evidence that employees who take advantage of those programs identify them as glue that binds them to their employer.

In a workforce.com survey, 60 per cent of workers called the availability of flexible work arrangements a key factor for both retention and choosing an employer. This means that companies that help people have a life and succeed at work get more loyalty. Another element of the new loyalty revolves around relationships at work.

New college graduates, for example, say their personal life is more important than their work life, a 2003 survey of new grads by the Millennium Group found.

According to Gallup, being cared about by others at work and having a best friend at work are both very strong predictors of employee engagement. So, if work feels like a social life, with a strong sense of connection, loyalty is bound to emerge. Finally, we appear to be more loyal to companies that are loyal to us ("d'oh," as Homer Simpson would say).

Fortune Magazine's 2005 survey of best workplaces showed that companies with a history of fewer or no layoffs had much higher employee commitment. Even as the myth of the death of employee loyalty continues, many companies buck the trend of high turnover by appealing to the new loyalty.

TD Industries is one such example. As the only company to make Fortune's list of top 10 to work for over more than a decade, the Dallas-based construction firm has a strong policy of promotion from within, a training culture that sends front-line employees to conferences, a culture that respects people's need to integrate work and life, a strong family feel, and extensive cross-training programs that have kept people employed through boom-and-bust cycles (when things get tough in one part of the business they employ them elsewhere). Its turnover rate is less than 6 per cent in an industry that averages 90 per cent.

BC Biomedical Laboratories Ltd. of Surrey, B.C., which provides medical lab services, has made many "best to work for" lists in Canada. Not surprisingly, it has extremely high levels of employee retention and credits much of its success to schedules that allow its mostly female work force to adjust their work time as needed to fit around personal needs.

The lesson: When companies create opportunities for employees to develop, address their lifestyle needs, help them develop a strong sense of pride and emotional connection and work hard to keep people on the job through tough times, loyalty is far from dead.

John Izzo, PhD, is a speaker and adviser to companies on corporate culture and leadership, and the author of Values Shift: The New Work Ethic.
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I resent when an employer with 75% employment turnover rate has expectations that I'll retire with them.

Consider the NFL Draft. Think of all the 1st round picks that flopped and all the 2nd, 3rd round picks - and so on - that were instrumental in SuperBowl attempts.

I've worked with people that had a laundry list of credentials; yet, they were a bit psycho and unpleasant to work with. The value added that they brought to the job was eclipsed by the negative environment - or awkward environment - they created.
#33 Apr 21 2006 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
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I don't value commitment, because commitment is an end product (the result of) a healthy and mutual relationship. If a relationship is bad - abusive in some manifestation - then, I can't rationalize commitment to that relationship as being a redeeming quality or value.

My three year self-employment span is partially due to a line of thought that I don't want to keep adding job after job after job to an already bulging resume. This time was used to break a cycle of revolving employment and reflect upon how I could have handled those situations differently for a more positive and successful outcome for both my employer and myself.

Though hind-sight reflection will never truly end, I've made some conclusions.

1) Not all jobs are created equally; therefore, I have a fiduciary responsibility to seek employment that will most likely help me to balance work and life, setting me up for success rather than failure.

2) Once the job ceases to be interesting - there is nothing left to learn or no more growth potential -, my energies become more focused on finding other employment. Contrary to my job history, I desire job stability.


Crap like that is why you've been unemployed for 36 months, dude. Regardless of how you feel about a current job, if you're drawing a paycheck, you need to DO that job, to the best of your ability. If your ability is going to decline dramatically with your enthusiasm, then I suggest a warm bath with a razor.

You've been unemployed for 3 years and you're complaining about the fact that employers are less loyal than they once were? I offer the suggestion that one makes their own way in the world and that in order to get, you must give. The perception of most employers these days is that everybody who works for you thinks that you owe them the world, yet you have to spend time constantly correcting their quality of work and checking to see if they're even doing any. In other words, both parties have issues with the situation.

For the most part, an employee/employer relationship is like any other. You get out of it what you put into it. I proffer that before you spend another moment reviewing the faults of the modern employer, you spend some time doing some field research behind the counter of McDonald's if that's all you can find. Develop some work ethic.
#34 Apr 21 2006 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Crap like that is why you've been unemployed for 36 months, dude.


I explained why I was unemployed already. But, since you're so ready to jump to conclusions, I'll also add that I went to college for a portion of that time as well. I'm sure that had something to do with being unemployed.

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Regardless of how you feel about a current job, if you're drawing a paycheck, you need to DO that job, to the best of your ability.


Where did I mention otherwise?

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If your ability is going to decline dramatically with your enthusiasm


Why is it so hard to understand that happy employees are more effective? Conversely, miserable employees are less productive. If employee happiness is not a workplace equation in productivity, then there's no justification for any employee benefits. No paid sick leave; no vacation; no healthcare. Are you getting it yet? Employers offer those as incentive packages, because employees whose needs are addressed will focus their energies on the job.

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You've been unemployed for 3 years and you're complaining about the fact that employers are less loyal than they once were?


Where was I complaining? I quoted an article as matter of fact. Ergo, they should not expect loyalty from employees - which they still unjustifiably do.

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I offer the suggestion that one makes their own way in the world and that in order to get, you must give.


That's rhetoric people tort to make them look smart or something. In a zero sum labor economy, where all skills are quantifiable to a universal standard, regardless of the amount of qualified labor supplied or demanded - as opposed to being relative to the employer, which is the case - then, I'd agree that output (what you get) is directly proportional to input (what you give).

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I like hearing myself talk. In other words, both parties have issues with the situation.


Why are you taking a stance against me, when all the while I've acknowledged that there is a give and take in employee/employer relationships? I never denied that employers should seek the most qualified employees. I simply pointed out that it's very difficult to make accurate decisions based on imperfect data (aka job history; this doesn't tell the whole story, or even a significant fraction of the story). In so far as, a lesser qualified candidate may actually be the better long term employee. But, the future cannot be predicted with absolute accuracy, therefore, absolute standards by which employees are hired, will inevitably miss a few exceptional candidates.

However, I realize this margin is nominal and of no concern to employers that don't provide meaningful employment as a public service. First and foremost, employers must maintain a profitable bottom line, which is the justifying factor in all decisions.

My previous post was philosophical; a departure from the thesis in the initial post, because the feedback received was already plentiful, encouraging, and helpful beyond the expectations I had. Don't confuse philosophical rhetoric (which my last post was) with a humble request to succeed in the real world, in current time (which my initial post was).

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Develop some work ethic.


Should I disregard the examples set by Chief Executive Officers of high profile companies - like Enron, Tycco, MCI World Com, etc - and fight the good fight for the little people? Because, that's all that matters right? After all, it's more important that the blue collar workforce be ethical for the sake of our global economy. Who really cares if our leaders don't have to follow the standards they set for us?
#35 Apr 21 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Employers love it when you get ultra-defensive bordering on schizophrenic; try and duplicate that impotent rage during your interview.
#36 Apr 21 2006 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Character defammation is highly entertaining. It's much easier to curb-stomp someone than to be a role model in our society.
#37 Apr 21 2006 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
"tchzarmok" wrote:
I've worked with people that had a laundry list of credentials; yet, they were a bit psycho and unpleasant to work with. The value added that they brought to the job was eclipsed by the negative environment - or awkward environment - they created.


Well I certainly do believe your claims of self-employment.





I like when you put quotations around my name, makes me feel like an abstract.
#38 Apr 21 2006 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
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That you can't see the difference between a personal attack, and an indirect, unqualified attack, prevents me from respecting anything you say.

I don't need to qualify people with situations to make a point, especially when not referring to anyone on these forums. Details like that are so far beyond parenthetical, it becomes inappropriate.

Edited, Sat Apr 22 01:05:22 2006 by tchzarmok
#39 Apr 22 2006 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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A Gbaj-length rebuttal


Seriously. Get and hold a job. It's not that hard. Events such as matriculation don't excuse a lack of employment. If you really felt that they did, you wouldn't have opened this discussion, methinks.

Your problem is that you don't have a job. The solution is to get one, even if it is not the ideal job you would like.

I speculate that the reason you do not have a job is not that you are unwilling to work, but rather that you somehow feel that having a job somehow entitles you to have a sayso in all levels of decisions, such as whether or not a CEO should be offered a disgustingly huge compensation package for nothing more than a glorious failure to do anything. As an employee, that is not your concern. As a person, you are entitled to whatever opinion you choose to hold about anything. As an employee, you are expected to fulfill job duties. That's it, nothing more. I know that probably sounds pretty demeaning to you, but that's all there is to it. Take it or leave it, believe it or don't. I am one of those people who has never had a problem with employment, so I submit that I have more tangible evidence backing me than any study or article you wish to quote: pay stubs.

You feel that I attacked you in my previous post on the subject. I feel that I spoke nothing but truth. I don't care enough to attack you. You feel that my stance was somehow against you. My stance is pro-job. Not having a job is bad for you. People need a daily sense of achievement in life. It doesn't matter how small your goals are, so long as you have them and work at them. People who don't have goals do nothing but drift. Set goals. Plan. Execute. It's OK to fail, but better to succeed. The only tragedy is in not trying. That's a sh1tty existence.

If you don't like it because I call your explanations crap, and don't respect the boundaries you've put up, then fine. Don't like it. But until and unless you do something to change your employment situation, it will remain the same. That's the bottm line.
#40 Apr 22 2006 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I picked apart your reply, because your reply wasn't relative to anything I said, yet it was still directed at me. You created a fire storm of nonsense just so that you get a +1 post count.

Try answering the questions in my reply to you if you really want to have a dialogue with more than yourself. Or, continue posting nonsense, stroke your ego, and bask in the warm and fuzzy feeling that reading comprehension is not a requirement in any one-way discussion.
#41 Apr 22 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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#42 Apr 22 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Excellent
This poster went rapidly from grateful to butthurt as soon as TS called him on what he refers to as philosophical rhetoric. If you weren't making the excuse or argument that you are somehow entitled to an equally beneficial relationship with your employer then why bother posting how you feel less than fulfilled once you've achieved supreme employeeship? And if you want some dynamic career that is more than just jumping through the hoops set forth by the person paying your bills then may I suggest you expand from copier repair-dude, pizza delivery ****, fried-chicken caddy or the ever erotic printer maintainer? As of now I don't see what makes you qualified for much more than serving others, but I guess you can always dream.

Taking the sum of your posts it's quite telling how important you are to yourself, and how entitled you feel. You've come to a video game message board in search of job-seeking advice. You receive a good deal of constructive advice, all of which could apply to anyone, anywhere. Then you decide to go on your "I can't keep a job because employers don't cater to my needs" tirade and when someone suggests that maybe your attitude isn't the best, you resort to claiming it was just hypothetical.

Guess what? It's not philosophical rhetoric, it's how you feel; it's misguided entitlement. It's self-fulfilling.

Who am I to say, though? Maybe every employer out there really is in business to keep you miserable and unemployed. Maybe it's not some character flaw within you that allows you to be so easily put on the defensive.

In summary, dear applicant, GFY.

Edited, Sat Apr 22 16:43:51 2006 by Barkingturtle
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