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#1 Apr 19 2006 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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I've been unemployed for 36 months in May, mostly by my own volition, at least initially. Recently, I've sent out numerous resumes and had one interview (with a temp agency). I've not received any replies back, and the temp agency has not contacted me again.

This is becoming difficult, since I'm not receiving any feedback as to why I'm not being considered, so I'm having to speculate what the source of my problem is.

Speculation
I've had a checkered work history. As a result, one of the hardest parts in an interview is having to answer why I left previous jobs, because I feel as though I'd be slandering them which in turn would reflect poorly upon me.

It feels like if I divulge my reasons (which may contain legitimate greavances), then I end up getting black-balled because the person interviewing me realizes I may say similar things to my next potential employer, about them. But, on the other hand, if I merely stated as my reason that I wanted a career change - or some non-descript explanation - then, it appears as though I'm hiding something. The interviewer is aware that something wrong happened, or else I'd still be working with my former employer. So, I can't bullsh*t them, but at the same time, I can't represent my case without appearing slanderous. Do you see the catch 22?

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What are good word phrases or answers when responding to why I left a former employer, that don't raise red flags and are also not misleading?

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I've experienced the spectrum of low-man on the corporate totem pole, and I've been in managerial positions. I have an equally wide range of experiences from technical (circuit board repair; printer repair; industry discharge sampling) to fast food (making/delivering pizzas; fried chicken) to administrative (mail room clerk and copier maintenance).

While I don't pretend to think I'd be a successful rocket scientist (without the proper training), I also don't understand why I can't land jobs that most dee-dee-dee's can. Are interviewers so willing to be impressed that it comes at the cost of being deceived by anyone with enough acting ability? Or, is the real problem here that I'm too stoopid to coerce the system for my own benefit that I can't take advantage of people willing to believe anything I say, as long as it's what they want to hear?
#2 Apr 19 2006 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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What are the reasons you left the previous jobs?


#3 Apr 19 2006 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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Few things. The first you've already suspected. NEVER say something negative about former employers or coworkers in an interview. It's an immediate red flag. Try something like you decided to persue new opportunities that just didn't work out. Maybe you tried to start your own business but couldn't get it off of the ground. Just ensure you try to put a positive spin on everything

Number two. Maybe you are aiming too high. You've been unemployed for 3 years. You will have to take a pay cut, most likely a significant one. Interviewers are going to see you as lazy. Whether or not this is the case is regardless as perception is reality. Start with something well under your capabilities, then try and work your way up internally within the company, even if it doesn't work out at least you will have a few months working under your belt in your next interview.
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#4 Apr 19 2006 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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The two most inportant things are don't tear your previous employers down, no matter how much they screwed you over and ******** and don't lie, even if you are a good ********** and lier. A decent white collar job means they will check your credentials out sooner or later. "Personal reasons" are a good reason. There is nothing wrong with switching jobs for better pay just don't say that is the reason if you change jobs every six months. Be honest about why you have blank spots in your work history. There is nothing wrong with spending a few months after colege bumming around somewhere exotic however if you spent a few years in jail you may need to be creative.
#5 Apr 19 2006 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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You have to remember that you're selling yourself in an interview. It may be unfair that someone with better salesmen skills would get the job over you regardless of qualifications but, that is the way things are.

I agree with Xythex in that you shouldn’t be negative about past employers. Come up with some bullsh[black][/black]it excuse. It’s not like your applying for the FBI.

I wouldn’t take to big of a pay cut if I didn’t have too. One has to remember that future salaries are based off of your current pay. This includes promotions, raises and other such advancements.


Edited, Wed Apr 19 18:40:08 2006 by fenderputy
#6 Apr 19 2006 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, I appreciate the replies. Now I need practice applying the positive spin during an interview. I can't say this was anything profound or unexpected, but the reinforcement has helped beyond anything I could have imagined.
#8 Apr 19 2006 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Or, is the real problem here that I'm too stoopid to coerce the system for my own benefit that I can't take advantage of people willing to believe anything I say, as long as it's what they want to hear?
Bingo.

It's not quite as negative as the spin you've put on it, but understand that you have to find ways to view and state things in a positive light. Instead of thinking and saying you left because a position was a "dead end", you can present it that you wanted a position that presented more opportunities for advancement. There's nothing at all dishonest or misleading about that statement. One is simply negative while the other is positive.

It's not just what you say or don't say. Your attitude has to be a positive one. Pay attention to what you tell yourself about your employment. Is it full of negativity? Just from your original post, my guess would be "yes". People can often pick up on this and honestly, who wants to work with someone who is full of negativity? Employers want people who can do (or learn) the job, who are enjoyable to work with and will get along with the existing staff. I'm convinced personal impression plays a larger role than your technical know-how in getting hired.

If you're convinced that your former employers are entirely at fault for you leaving all your former positions it's time to take a good long look in the mirror.
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Edited, Wed Apr 19 19:20:42 2006 by fenderputy
#10 Apr 19 2006 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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If you're convinced that your former employers are entirely at fault for you leaving all your former positions it's time to take a good long look in the mirror.


Not at all. I can't possibly imagine all of the variables involved - intangible or real - that have an effect over job stability. While I feel as though some of my greavances may be legitimate, certainly I'm sure at some point, I was also working against myself.

The more time and resources I devote to understanding human behavior - and my own behavior - the better my chances for success are for having a successful interview (among a plethora of other things). But in the mean time, I still need a job, so this thread has been a bit of a crash course - inspirational motiviation - and for that, I appreciate all of the feedback.
#11 Apr 19 2006 at 6:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks, I appreciate the replies. Now I need practice applying the positive spin during an interview. I can't say this was anything profound or unexpected, but the reinforcement has helped beyond anything I could have imagined.


Honestly, the issue with reasons for leaving past jobs isn't as huge as most might make it out to be. I've conducted dozens of interviews, and barely even notice if there's a gap in employment. If someone does notice and asks, don't make a huge deal out of it. Something like "I took some time off for X" works fine. Saying you were working on a home business works fine as well. Heck. Anything works, as long as it comes off as sincere and *you* aren't stressed about it. If there's one thing that really comes through in an interview it's the degree of nervousness of the interviewee. If you're nervous it implies to the interviewer that you don't think you're qualified for the job and are hoping that he wont figure it out. This impells interviewers to look harder and ask more questions.


The most important thing is to actually know the area of expertise you've got written down on your resume. I've seen a lot of different structures of resumes. I can honestly say that the *best* format is to list your job skills *first*. Compile a list of everything you know how to do that is relevant to the position you are applying for (yes. that means you modify your resume based on where you're applying). Follow that with work experience from most recent to least recent. Then finish up with education (degrees and certificates. Don't be afraid to include training courses you've completed if you don't have strong degree credentials).

What this does is give the interviewer a nice list of things right up top that he can ask you about. You've listed what you can do. Therefore, he'll focus on that since it's right there. Just make damn sure you are comfortable talking about anything you wrote in your skills area. And don't BS or pad. The people interviewing you are likely to be experts in their fields (that's why they're interviewing you). If you say you know something and don't, they'll know it and you wont get hired. Following this with work experience is good because in that area you can (and should) list any major tasks/projects you personally did while employed there. This gives the interviewer a second line of questions to ask you. Again. Don't BS. And don't imply you ran a project that you just took part in. You would not believe the number of people I've interviewed who'll claim that they implemented a rollout of "X", but when questioned can't seem to explain what they did other then in very vague terms. If you worked on a project, say so. If you ran a project. Say so. But don't say you ran it if you only worked on it. We can tell.


In your case, it sounds like you aren't even getting that far. That implies to me that there's something about your resume that's not grabbing people's attention. It's a bit hard to describe the process, but I can tell you that when I whittle down a stack of 20 resumes down to 4 interview candidates, it's based on just a couple primary things:

1. Proximity. People who live nearby tend to get looked at first. This may not be an issue where you're applying and in your field, but I can say that a guy from India had better have an incredible resume to get an interview where I live. That's not to say he *wont*, but he has to be very clearly a top candidate to get an interview. This is a simple money thing.

2. Skills match. This is why the skills list is so critical. First off, the HR folks sort based on those. If they can't figure out that you'd fit into a particular job opening, they wont hand you to the guys like me who look through the stacks of resumes. You won't even get looked at by someone who knows what to look for. Additionally, if you clearly list your skills, you'll get more accurately put into the right stacks of resumes that get sent to the people who might actually hire you. If your skills match what I'm looking for, and your work experience indicates a degree of capability that fits the job title, you'll likely get at least a phone interview.


I really can't stress enough how important it is that you list those skills. It could very well be that's the major reason you aren't getting any bites. One of the things you have to remember about corporations is that they are large. They have departments that do nothing but sort incoming resumes based on skill set. These people don't know *anything* about the jobs themselves. They're going off some basic keyword matches. Make damn sure you write the correct words that match what their sort criteria is looking for.


Dunno. It's just that I don't think it's gaps in employment that are your problem. It really sounds like you aren't even getting to that point in the selection process. I suspect you just have a poorly formated resume.
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#13 Apr 19 2006 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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That was an amazing reply gbaji, thanks.

At the risk of muddying the waters further, I'll add that I also have a hard time qualifying my experience. Consider the following titles: Dirt Digger; Soil Relocation Engineer. For sake of this argument, both job titles are identical in terms of job duties.

Sometimes, when employers are seeking Soil Relocation Engineers, I can't make the connection that it's the same as a previous job I had as a Dirt Digger or that the skill set is transferrable. The jargon loses me. When I see the words "competitive pay", to me it means "low pay". When I see "energetic", to me it says "young and clueless". All because, it'd be discriminating to solicit applications from 18-20 year olds, since that wouldn't be EOE. Anyway, that was just a tangential rant and doesn't really apply to this topic.
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At the risk of muddying the waters further, I'll add that I also have a hard time qualifying my experience. Consider the following titles: Dirt Digger; Soil Relocation Engineer. For sake of this argument, both job titles are identical in terms of job duties.

Sometimes, when employers are seeking Soil Relocation Engineers, I can't make the connection that it's the same as a previous job I had as a Dirt Digger or that the skill set is transferrable. The jargon loses me. When I see the words "competitive pay", to me it means "low pay". When I see "energetic", to me it says "young and clueless". All because, it'd be discriminating to solicit applications from 18-20 year olds, since that wouldn't be EOE. Anyway, that was just a tangential rant and doesn't really apply to this topic.


Dirt digger = guy with a shovel, probably basic pay and basic experience.

Soil Relocation Engineers = a. Fancy way to say someone who can use a front loader or similiar equipment.

b. Some moran meant to write Soils Engineer.

At least that is how I would see those two if I read it in a help wanted type add.

It's best to take words like "energetic" and "competitive pay" at face value (meaning not so cynicaly) at least until you get a chance to talk to them in an interview, it's not like you have so many of those you can't take the time to find out.
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I wasn't even aware the job "Soil Relocation Engineer" even required a resume. I thought that was one of those just fill out an application and if you have two arms and can pee in a cup you're hired sort of jobs. Learn something new every day I suppose.
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That's why you put your skills list up top. That way, the interviewer isn't confused by titles that may not match what he thinks they mean.

If you know how to operate a backhoe, you'll list that right up top. If you know how to write perl code, you'll list that right up top. That way, the interviewer and selections folks can see immediately what skills you have and whether they match the description for the job they have open.

And that will result in more interviews and a greater chance of landing a job.
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That's why you put your skills list up top. That way, the interviewer isn't confused by titles that may not match what he thinks they mean.


This and it's initial iteration, is easily the most impactful advice I've heard regarding resumes and keyword sorting. My spirits are up. Next time I post, I'll have landed a job. Thanks guys.
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Oh! Almost forgot. At the very top (above the skills listing) you should put a "goal statement". This should be a paragraph describing what sort of position you are looking for. You can feel free to flower it with big words if you want (everyone else seems to), but it doesn't matter that much. Just make sure it's clear what you're looking for. A good hint when applying for a specific position (like if you saw a "help wanted" listing somewhere) is to tailor this paragraph to the job. That way the HR people can't miss...
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#20 Apr 21 2006 at 8:51 AM Rating: Default
before i got a job with the FAA, i was a warehouse manager for Levits furniture amoung other jobs for a time. i hired and fired many people.

during an interview, one of the things that created a large negitive for me was long gaps in employment history. someone who is not constantly employed would not strike me as motivated. infact, unmotivated would be my first thought.

moving from job to job often, never staying in one place is another negative. how long will this person be here? will i be wasting my time training him just to have to train someoen else in a few months? is he just antsy and cant sit still? or is he constantly being fired?

i would hire a person who had a steady employement history as a fry cook at burger king over someone with some college, and a dozen past jobs with large companies but never stayed at one for atleast a year. i would hire a fry cook over someone who worked as a finance manager but had large gaps between jobs.

why?

the fry cook is going to show up every day. the fry cook is not going to think this job is benieth him. the fry cook isnt going to decide one day he needs a few months off and quit. the fry cook, especially at burger king, is probably not going to be LAZY.

what to do?

GET A JOB.

any job. and hold it. even if it is as a fry cook. it is much easier to find a job when you HAVE a job. just like getting a loan. having a job tells a prospective emploeer that you know how to work. that your not lazy to your current emploeer atleast. adn that you NEED a job and are motivated to getting one reguardless of weather you think it is belieth you or not.

that large gap in your resume, and the fact you REFUSE to get a meniel job NOW is a big red flag for emploeers.

want a job? ill tell you how.

go get a minimum wage job ANYWHERE. even bagging griceries if you have to. get a few months of work history behind you, 6 atleast. THEN go to a head hunter.

or, get a degree. you can explain away alot of your gap if you claim you went back to school to finnish a degree, or even just enrolling in college. wouldnt mention a pissing contest with your last emploeer. and if there were hard feelings between you when you left, might not want to list him as a referance at all. they DO CALL referances.

GET A JOB or GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

no one is going to hire someone who doesnt want to work. and not wanting to work is exactly the message long emploeement history gaps sends in lack of a good explaination, like furthering education or illness mabe.

noone owes you a living. you have to go out and EARN it. and alot of times, MOST of the time, that requires putting in long hours in a place you dont want to be, not for the money, but just to show a higher paying company that not only CAN you work, but that you are WILLING to work.

i wouldnt hire you either. there are too many fry cooks looking for a better job. hell, even illegal immigrants have a constant work history even if its with a differant person every week.

your long work history gap reeks of a lack of motivation, lazyness, and possibly even poor referances that may have been intentioanally left out.

get a meniel job or go back to school.
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Lots of good advice here. I've hired dozens of people over the years. I would guess there's a problem in your resume or cover letter. A potential employer gets hundreds of applications. I know I would spend maybe 20 seconds per resume on an initial cull down. Then I would put more time into the second round to narrow down to who I wanted to interview. Any mis-spelling or typo or poor grammer on the resume or cover letter got it instantly disqualified. Resumes on cheap paper or poorly copied also got tossed. I often could just look at a resume without reading anything and know I didn't want to hire this person. I reasoned that if you can't spend the time necessary to get something right that is that important to you, how much time will you spend on something important to me.

To get to the interview stage, try to personalize your resume. Don't just send in a generic cover letter. Do some research on the company you are submitting to and alter your cover letter and resume to fit what you think they are looking for. I would also suggest you change that three year gap from "unemployed" to "self-employed". It's not inaccurate and sounds a whole lot better.
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If there's one thing that really comes through in an interview it's the degree of nervousness of the interviewee. If you're nervous it implies to the interviewer that you don't think you're qualified for the job and are hoping that he wont figure it out. This impells interviewers to look harder and ask more questions.


One of the things that always bit me in the *** during interviews. I hate trying to sell myself, and I get really nervous during interviews. Probably because I've only ever had to do a few of them, and usually they didn't go so hot.

Networking is the key. I know people, and they know I'm a hard worker and am dependable. I haven't really had to worry about an interview in about 7 years. During that time I've had jobs with 3 different companies, and got said jobs because I knew the right people.
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Whether it's the negativity or the approach, just follow all the advice you've gotten here. As someone who has been job hunting quite a bit over the last two years, I can tell you that a lot depends on the situation at the company. My husband has been telling me the same things, "NO negativity" and yet when I interviewed for my current job, I actually told them I didn't get along with my boss. (slapself) I told them that I left two other jobs because I thought the pay sucked. And yet they hired me because they needed to fill the position and I was honest about my goals and sincere about my desire to be happy in the workplace.

Right now in Hawaii we have record low unemployment, so salary offers have been going up, which is the main reason I'm looking again. Try to find a way that will make you look like you can fill a problem they seem to be having. (if any)
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#25 Apr 21 2006 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Alla's right about the resume and cover letter. Get a professional service to clean it up for you if you're not confident in your ability to do it yourself.

I've gotten resumes that impressed me right away. I've gotten TONS that went into the shredder right away.

Be prepared to account for the time you've spent away from work - travel is a reasonable excuse; school, even if it didn't result in a degree; self employment is always a good answer. Don't say you were writing a book unless you really were, though; interviewers are looking for a hook to talk to you about so they can get a better feel for the type of person you are, and if you lie about something so obvious you're going to have a hard time recovering. (Yes, I had that happen with one interviewee.)

Other than that... it's difficult, but try to relax. Be yourself. Anything else is going to come across as phony.

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#26 Apr 21 2006 at 12:06 PM Rating: Default
A few other things to consider:

Geographically are you in a place with low unemployment? Or more importantly, are there jobs available in any of the fields that you want to work in?

Do you own a car? Or do you need to rely on public transportation?

Do you have a felony record? Most companies won't even look at you if you do.

Also, there is your age to consider. Technically, they aren't supposed to care, but of course it does matter. And along with that, any special needs?

Dress appearance is key. Wear the appropriate clothing dependent on what you are interviewing for. Blue collar = polo shirt and clean/new jeans. White collar = dress shirt + tie and dress pants.

The fact that the temp agency hasn't replied makes me wonder if there is something you aren't mentioning. Typically temp agencies will take anyone in, and try to find them a job. This assumes you aren't going to an industry specific temp agency.

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