I know some of you like to take pleasure in the pain of others, and I enjoy amusing others. Been trying to look up an average fine, so I know how much about I'll be paying, I've been told the maximun fine is 250 bucks, and possible 30 days in jail, in Ohio that is. But as I don't have anything on my record currently, I'm not that worried, but yeah.
BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
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Your chance of spending any time in jail = .00001 * 10 ^1000
Paying a fine though, much higher.
I'd just tell them that Randall was watching the store while you were out and it's not your fault.
Paying a fine though, much higher.
I'd just tell them that Randall was watching the store while you were out and it's not your fault.
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I'd just tell them that Randall was watching the store while you were out and it's not your fault.
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Your chance of spending any time in jail = .00001 * 10 ^1000
Paying a fine though, much higher.
Paying a fine though, much higher.
I'm not too worried, just want to get this over with. Give'em all money and get on probie for a bit. I know someone who got a DUI, an underage consumption, and crashed into a hotel. A year later he has party plates, and spent no time in jail. Not sure how that worked out, gonna talk to him tomorrow about it.
Edited, Wed Apr 19 01:40:18 2006 by HunterGamma
Obviously police(admin) abuse and harrasment of the store owner!
Did you get her number?
Give'em all money and get on probie for a bit.
No no no.
It'll 99% be cwoafed.
Dont' take probation, that's nuts.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Just pay the fine, admit you fu[Black][/Black]cked up, and don't do it again. Don't blame the cop for doing her job when you weren't doing yours. Easy peasy.
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.00001 * 10 ^1000
Correct me if I'm wrong, but due to order of operations, 10^1000 would be calculated, then multiplied by .00001. The answer you get, consequently, is much higher than 1, which is impossible since probability can't be more than 1.
Order of operations is left to right, in math as well as Boolean logic, except when parentheses force a different order.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Order of operations is left to right, in math as well as Boolean logic, except when parentheses force a different order.
If there are no parentheses, the order is:
1) exponents
2) multiplication and division
3) addition and subtraction
Entrapment is pretty much when the law makes you do the crime then arrests you. If they told you to sell the pack of cigs to the girl that is entrapment.
Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
If there are no parentheses, the order is:
1) exponents
2) multiplication and division
3) addition and subtraction
1) exponents
2) multiplication and division
3) addition and subtraction
So... 5th grade was good for something after all!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Professor CrescentFresh wrote:
If there are no parentheses, the order is:
1) exponents
2) multiplication and division
3) addition and subtraction
1) exponents
2) multiplication and division
3) addition and subtraction
So... 5th grade was good for something after all!
Americans are wierd. We always refered to it as BEDMAS.
jeffoncom wrote:
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.00001 * 10 ^1000
Correct me if I'm wrong, but due to order of operations, 10^1000 would be calculated, then multiplied by .00001. The answer you get, consequently, is much higher than 1, which is impossible since probability can't be more than 1.
I think he was trying to put the number in scientific notation.
It's still wrong though. 1.0 * 10^(-1005) is what he probably meant.
/points at HunterGamma
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Just curious,
Why'd you sell a minor cigs when you knew it was illegal?
(more non-homework research)
Why'd you sell a minor cigs when you knew it was illegal?
(more non-homework research)
TheKate wrote:
Just curious,
Why'd you sell a minor cigs when you knew it was illegal?
(more non-homework research)
Why'd you sell a minor cigs when you knew it was illegal?
(more non-homework research)
She probably flashed him some underage ******
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
HunterGamma wrote:
BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
How were you induced into selling the minor a pack of cigarettes? If I remember correctly, inducement is the hinge-pin of entrapment.
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BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
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How were you induced into selling the minor a pack of cigarettes? If I remember correctly, inducement is the hinge-pin of entrapment.
BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
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How were you induced into selling the minor a pack of cigarettes? If I remember correctly, inducement is the hinge-pin of entrapment.
Debalic wrote:
She probably flashed him some underage ******
Solved!
enoughalready wrote:
Thumbelyna wrote:
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BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
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How were you induced into selling the minor a pack of cigarettes? If I remember correctly, inducement is the hinge-pin of entrapment.
BTW, whats the difference between entrapment, and a girl that the cops get to buy a pack, and get an honest tax payer in trouble?
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How were you induced into selling the minor a pack of cigarettes? If I remember correctly, inducement is the hinge-pin of entrapment.
Debalic wrote:
She probably flashed him some underage ******
Solved!
Well, then it's a good thing he's getting charged with just selling cigarettes to a minor as opposed to some kind of molestation/child **** violation.
Basically, it's only entrapment if you can prove that you were somehow convinced to sell the cigs to the minor and that it was not your own decision to do so.
For example, an undercover cop can't hire you to sling dope on a corner and then bust you for slinging dope if you were previously not involved with drugs before he/she recruited you.
Entrapment is hard to prove. Remember, these are all cops who passed background checks to get their jobs testifying against you. You're just a dirty criminal.
For example, an undercover cop can't hire you to sling dope on a corner and then bust you for slinging dope if you were previously not involved with drugs before he/she recruited you.
Entrapment is hard to prove. Remember, these are all cops who passed background checks to get their jobs testifying against you. You're just a dirty criminal.
He probably didn't know she was underaged. It depends on how the "sting" went down.
Back in the day, they'd just send a minor into the store and have them try to buy smokes. If they could succeed, they busted you. Of course, they'd send in the most adult looking 17.9 year old they could find, but that was all fair, right?
If they got you that way, your best bet is to go to court, plead your case, and ask for a reduced fine. Obtain a picture of the minor used to sting you. It'll go a huge way towards getting a judge to go light on you if the minor in question looks like he's 40. Believe it or not, sometimes these cops will actually dye the minor's hair to make it look like they've got some grey in there. There are some situations where you can call entrapment, or at least call into question the culpability you had. If the judge thinks that it was unreasonable for you to be able to tell that someone was a minor, he'll be much more likely to let you off, or reduce the fine.
Now. If the girl came up to you and told you she was a minor, and then asked you to sell to her anyway (another better method of sting IMO). You're pretty much screwed in that case. You knew she was underaged. You sold anyway. Pay the fine. Be more careful next time. There's pretty much no way out of this one.
Back in the day, they'd just send a minor into the store and have them try to buy smokes. If they could succeed, they busted you. Of course, they'd send in the most adult looking 17.9 year old they could find, but that was all fair, right?
If they got you that way, your best bet is to go to court, plead your case, and ask for a reduced fine. Obtain a picture of the minor used to sting you. It'll go a huge way towards getting a judge to go light on you if the minor in question looks like he's 40. Believe it or not, sometimes these cops will actually dye the minor's hair to make it look like they've got some grey in there. There are some situations where you can call entrapment, or at least call into question the culpability you had. If the judge thinks that it was unreasonable for you to be able to tell that someone was a minor, he'll be much more likely to let you off, or reduce the fine.
Now. If the girl came up to you and told you she was a minor, and then asked you to sell to her anyway (another better method of sting IMO). You're pretty much screwed in that case. You knew she was underaged. You sold anyway. Pay the fine. Be more careful next time. There's pretty much no way out of this one.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
TStephens wrote:
Basically, it's only entrapment if you can prove that you were somehow convinced to sell the cigs to the minor and that it was not your own decision to do so.
It can also be considered entrapment if the officers contrive a situations such that an ordinary reasonable citizen would likely have also ended up breaking the law as a result of the contrivance.
Hence, dying a kid's hair and making him up to look older is entrapment (they really did used to do this). If joe average guy is going to look at that person and assume he's in his 30s as a result of the police's actions, then that's entrapment.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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It can also be considered entrapment if the officers contrive a situations such that an ordinary reasonable citizen would likely have also ended up breaking the law as a result of the contrivance.
/agree
gbaji wrote:
He probably didn't know she was underaged. It depends on how the "sting" went down.
Back in the day, they'd just send a minor into the store and have them try to buy smokes. If they could succeed, they busted you. Of course, they'd send in the most adult looking 17.9 year old they could find, but that was all fair, right?
If they got you that way, your best bet is to go to court, plead your case, and ask for a reduced fine. Obtain a picture of the minor used to sting you. It'll go a huge way towards getting a judge to go light on you if the minor in question looks like he's 40. Believe it or not, sometimes these cops will actually dye the minor's hair to make it look like they've got some grey in there. There are some situations where you can call entrapment, or at least call into question the culpability you had. If the judge thinks that it was unreasonable for you to be able to tell that someone was a minor, he'll be much more likely to let you off, or reduce the fine.
Now. If the girl came up to you and told you she was a minor, and then asked you to sell to her anyway (another better method of sting IMO). You're pretty much screwed in that case. You knew she was underaged. You sold anyway. Pay the fine. Be more careful next time. There's pretty much no way out of this one.
Back in the day, they'd just send a minor into the store and have them try to buy smokes. If they could succeed, they busted you. Of course, they'd send in the most adult looking 17.9 year old they could find, but that was all fair, right?
If they got you that way, your best bet is to go to court, plead your case, and ask for a reduced fine. Obtain a picture of the minor used to sting you. It'll go a huge way towards getting a judge to go light on you if the minor in question looks like he's 40. Believe it or not, sometimes these cops will actually dye the minor's hair to make it look like they've got some grey in there. There are some situations where you can call entrapment, or at least call into question the culpability you had. If the judge thinks that it was unreasonable for you to be able to tell that someone was a minor, he'll be much more likely to let you off, or reduce the fine.
Now. If the girl came up to you and told you she was a minor, and then asked you to sell to her anyway (another better method of sting IMO). You're pretty much screwed in that case. You knew she was underaged. You sold anyway. Pay the fine. Be more careful next time. There's pretty much no way out of this one.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is required by law to card anyone who buys tobacco products. I'd look it up but I don't have the time. If it isn't the law they do teach clerks that it is a requirement. Saying she looked old enough is no excuse. I was clerk years ago and it was required. I carded a 75 year old. It's his fault and nobody elses doesn't matter what they look like.
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