So I ask you, which is more damaging in the long run? Blatently playing the race card (to which the article in the OP lapped up with a spoon) or defending a ***** for doing what she does or giving a pass to a bunch of elitist pigs who should be excoriated for acting like the animals they are?
I'd say the worst damage will be the fresh re-opening of the wound that is our state of race relations, but maybe for not the reasons you might think. It's my belief that blacks are given carte blanc to make baseless accusations due to a historical fact and are their own worst enemy when it comes to ever correcting the wrongs that have been done them.
In the meantime, I'd be satified if they publically caned and flogged each and every one of the people involved in this case, including the prosecutor.
Totem
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Barkingturtle wrote:
Doesn't matter because she was getting paid, right?
/nod
Totem wrote:
A brick of cocaine here in the US is a drug deal. There is no possible exculpatory reason to own a brick of cocaine.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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So I ask you, which is more damaging in the long run? Blatently playing the race card (to which the article in the OP lapped up with a spoon) or defending a ***** for doing what she does or giving a pass to a bunch of elitist pigs who should be excoriated for acting like the animals they are?
I'd say the worst damage will be the fresh re-opening of the wound that is our state of race relations, but maybe for not the reasons you might think. It's my belief that blacks are given carte blanc to make baseless accusations due to a historical fact and are their own worst enemy when it comes to ever correcting the wrongs that have been done them.
I'd say the worst damage will be the fresh re-opening of the wound that is our state of race relations, but maybe for not the reasons you might think. It's my belief that blacks are given carte blanc to make baseless accusations due to a historical fact and are their own worst enemy when it comes to ever correcting the wrongs that have been done them.
Her playing the race card, it will dilute the actual cases that hold merit. Prime example after I graduated my friend was shot and killed by an under cover police officer because he was Black and he said he had "stole" the car he was driving. One shot to the head, 5 witnesses in the car.
The officer had previous incidents, one where he punched a Black girl in the face cause her music was too loud in her car.
Now there was no NAACP, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton coming to the aid of my friends family. Johnny Cochran did though, he worked as much as he could until his death. It took 3 yrs to get an indictment, and 2 to get him fired.
They are backing a suspicious incident, which to me doesn't hold merit. It which hurt us more than help. If Johnny Cochran had time to help, provided his service for free, you can't tell me no one else could have came. When we protested there was no one but the kids who we went to school with. And they back this girl with no DNA evidence, the only thing they have is she is Black and they are white, unbelievable. Like being raped by a Black guy would have made it better.(if it happened)
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:09:10 2006 by kalaria
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:17:28 2006 by kalaria
flea wrote:
Strippers are no more for fuc[Antiquewhite][/Antiquewhite]king than barmaids, bartenders, cheerleaders, nurses, or maids.
I beg to differ. Every film I've ever seen on the subject is in direct opposition to your stance and is rather clear on the matter.
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Are you saying that being a stipper in general is soliciting sex? If so, I can't recall ever going to a stip club and having a girl tell me "Ill f'ck you for X amount if dollars", they are there for me to look at there goodies and nothing more.
Strip Club Stripper != House Call Stripper
On the subject of women "asking for it", I liken the situation of a woman/stripper/***** entering what amounts to a frat house and is scantily clad and/or nude while dancing/performing for money without security to be somewhat similar to me hanging out by a Southern Baptist church wearing a T-shirt with a picture Jesus on it sucking off two apostles and a caption reading "Jesus was a Flaming ****!".
Yes, we are both technically within our as American citezens to do what we please, but it would probably be prudent to avoid such situations.
kalaria wrote:
Now there was no NAACP, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton coming to the aid of my friends family. Johnny Cockrahn did though, he worked as much as he could until his death. It took 3 yrs to get an indictment, and 2 to get him fires.
That man is not a lawyer, but a **** star.
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That man is not a lawyer, but a **** star.
you know what I mean, -.-
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Totem wrote:
But she was not murdered. She, in essence, was robbed of her drugs, using the drug dealer analogy. No harm, no foul.
Totem
Totem
So it's your opinion that a prostitute cannot be raped?
Yes, he's actually stated that several times.
I suppose a hooker can be raped in the sense like a cabby can turn off his overhead fare light and not take any riders, but considering that she was, for all practical purposes, at this party with her meter running and the doors wide open to her "cab," she was open for business.
It's not like she was at home snuggled in bed with her two children at her side reading a nighty-night story to them, when someone bursts in through the window and rapes her at gunpoint.
She was on the job, folks. See the difference?
Totem
It's not like she was at home snuggled in bed with her two children at her side reading a nighty-night story to them, when someone bursts in through the window and rapes her at gunpoint.
She was on the job, folks. See the difference?
Totem
Totem wrote:
I suppose a hooker can be raped in the sense like a cabby can turn off his overhead fare light and not take any riders, but considering that she was, for all practical purposes, at this party with her meter running and the doors wide open to her "cab," she was open for business.
It's not like she was at home snuggled in bed with her two children at her side reading a nighty-night story to them, when someone bursts in through the window and rapes her at gunpoint.
She was on the job, folks. See the difference?
Totem
It's not like she was at home snuggled in bed with her two children at her side reading a nighty-night story to them, when someone bursts in through the window and rapes her at gunpoint.
She was on the job, folks. See the difference?
Totem
While I think the woman is full of ****, none of what you said matters. If the woman was forced to have sex against her will, she was rapped.
I'll side with Totem on this.
Disregarding the compounded stupidity shown by the "Lady" in question (going back to the house twice, stripping without protection), the issue isn't whether or not that she was raped. The issue is whether or not that playing the race card is an acceptable way to get them on the hook for something they may or not have done.
Normally this wouldn't have even made more than the local news... it isn't "shocking" enough. Stripper goes into a house full of sports guys and ends up having consentual/non-consentual sex? Riiiiiiight, like a DA is even going to look at that twice.
Add in the fact that the lawyer played the race card and this becomes an instant front page'er.
I mean ****, who the hell goes anywhere near a group of male sports players and doesn't think something is going to go sideways?
The swear filter apparently is better than I
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:36:32 2006 by Diveos
Disregarding the compounded stupidity shown by the "Lady" in question (going back to the house twice, stripping without protection), the issue isn't whether or not that she was raped. The issue is whether or not that playing the race card is an acceptable way to get them on the hook for something they may or not have done.
Normally this wouldn't have even made more than the local news... it isn't "shocking" enough. Stripper goes into a house full of sports guys and ends up having consentual/non-consentual sex? Riiiiiiight, like a DA is even going to look at that twice.
Add in the fact that the lawyer played the race card and this becomes an instant front page'er.
I mean ****, who the hell goes anywhere near a group of male sports players and doesn't think something is going to go sideways?
The swear filter apparently is better than I
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:36:32 2006 by Diveos
/sigh
But she's not, fender. She is there to make money by having sex with these fine young Duke representatives. I thought we had made that distinction, yes?
Can anybody else explain better than me why being an in-the-home-kind of exotic dancer equates to being a hooker and the difference between them and strippers who work in clubs or have muscle protecting them at these parties? I seem to not be able to make this clear. Apparently there are a number of you who are under the mistaken impression that there are strippers who make house calls alone and who really are just strippers.
/boggle
Totem
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:42:35 2006 by Totem
But she's not, fender. She is there to make money by having sex with these fine young Duke representatives. I thought we had made that distinction, yes?
Can anybody else explain better than me why being an in-the-home-kind of exotic dancer equates to being a hooker and the difference between them and strippers who work in clubs or have muscle protecting them at these parties? I seem to not be able to make this clear. Apparently there are a number of you who are under the mistaken impression that there are strippers who make house calls alone and who really are just strippers.
/boggle
Totem
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:42:35 2006 by Totem
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Apparently there are a number of you who are under the mistaken impression that there are strippers who make house calls alone and who really are just strippers.
No one should but for the sake of a rational argument you can still not assume that she was being paid for services rendered on her back because it isn't in the scope of the article. (That's an UGLY sentence)
Yes, a spade is still a spade.
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:40:39 2006 by Diveos
Not to completely sidetrack the discussion, but:
Hey, Halle Berry deserved that oscar. Like anyone would actually believe she'd bang Billy Bob Thorton. That's some high quality acting there.
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Black women cheered when Halle Berry won an Academy Award in 2002 for “Monster’s Ball.†But why, some grumbled, did a black woman have to take off her clothes and perform sex scenes with a white man to win acting’s highest honor? Why are black women so rarely portrayed as flirty or romantic without being slutty?
Hey, Halle Berry deserved that oscar. Like anyone would actually believe she'd bang Billy Bob Thorton. That's some high quality acting there.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Totem wrote:
/sigh
But she's not. She is there to make money by having sex with these fine young Duke representatives. I thought we had made that distinction, yes?
Can anybody else explain better than me why being an in-the-home-kind of exotic dancer equates to being a hooker and the difference between them and strippers who work in clubs or have muscle protecting them at these parties? I seem to not be able to make this clear. Apparently there are a number of you who are under the mistaken impression that there are strippers who make house calls alone and who really are just strippers.
/boggle
Totem
But she's not. She is there to make money by having sex with these fine young Duke representatives. I thought we had made that distinction, yes?
Can anybody else explain better than me why being an in-the-home-kind of exotic dancer equates to being a hooker and the difference between them and strippers who work in clubs or have muscle protecting them at these parties? I seem to not be able to make this clear. Apparently there are a number of you who are under the mistaken impression that there are strippers who make house calls alone and who really are just strippers.
/boggle
Totem
I tried 7 posts above, I figured short and sweet would do the trick. Maybe I should try harder?
Stip Club Stripper: Sometimes whores, but usually not. They dance for dollars and drinks. Depending on state and local laws, sometimes you can touch their boobies.
House Call Stripper: Sometimes strippers, but usually not. They dance for $10+ bills, usually bring 1-3 "friends", is usually accompanied by a "driver"(aka muscle), and generally has sex with whoever is willing to pay. This occurs after large amounts of money has been thrown at her and her friends while they dance, never before.
Edited, Tue Apr 18 16:46:19 2006 by Jacobsdeception
"Yes, a spade is still a spade." --Diveos
Tell me that was just a Freudian slip, lol.
Totem
Tell me that was just a Freudian slip, lol.
Totem
I have no idea what you speak of.
I swear
I swear
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Black women cheered when Halle Berry won an Academy Award in 2002 for “Monster’s Ball.†But why, some grumbled, did a black woman have to take off her clothes and perform sex scenes with a white man to win acting’s highest honor? Why are black women so rarely portrayed as flirty or romantic without being slutty?
That was a great movie, aside from a sex scene so what? They are basically callinh Halle Berry a stupid actress who dumbs herself down to get movie roles. They are sadly mistaken.
Back on topic:
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House Call Stripper: Sometimes strippers, but usually not. They dance for $10+ bills, usually bring 1-3 "friends", is usually accompanied by a "driver"(aka muscle), and generally has sex with whoever is willing to pay. This occurs after large amounts of money has been thrown at her and her friends while they dance, never before.
I see what you are saying, it looks bad for her under the circumstances of "why" she was there. If she is using race as a scape goat she is wrong as hell.
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I see what you are saying, it looks bad for her under the circumstances of "why" she was there. If she is using race as a scape goat she is wrong as hell.
So...... Totem is right then.
Diveos wrote:
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I see what you are saying, it looks bad for her under the circumstances of "why" she was there. If she is using race as a scape goat she is wrong as hell.
So...... Totem is right then.
Only if you want to give him the satisfaction. And there are way too many periods in your ellipsis, and a space missing after "So". Man, I'm on the ball today!
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Only if you want to give him the satisfaction. And there are way too many periods in your ellipsis, and a space missing after "So". Man, I'm on the ball today!
Get off my tits.
Meh, I type the elogated ellipsis for effect. It's basically a longer than average pause. Usually by the time someone has pondered why it's incorrect they've got the right cadence to the sentence/phrase.
In other words: I have a new keyboard and the period key sticks and i'm too lazy to fix it.
What's "elogated"?
Fantastic. This thread is being degenerated into a discussion of grammar and punctuation. My work here is done.
Elongated.
Refer to above post. New keyboard (one of those rollup ones with the soft keys). I usually type fast so I don't usually spellcheck.
Get off my tits.
Refer to above post. New keyboard (one of those rollup ones with the soft keys). I usually type fast so I don't usually spellcheck.
Get off my tits.
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