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As per MSN, "Duke case reopens wounds for black women&qFollow

#1 Apr 17 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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The stereotype is everywhere, said Rebecca Hall, a lecturer at the University of California, Berkeley who studies images of black women.

“Turn on a music video. A black woman is somebody who has excess sexuality spilling out all over the place. It’s excess sexuality that white men are entitled to,” she said.


Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't being a black stripper at a largely white lacrosse team's party automatically mean the woman has excess sexuality spilling out all over the place? Moreover, when you consider these two women had no muscle to watch over them at this gig, doesn't that automatically mean they are free lance whores?

I'm not seeing the connection here, except that somehow white men are-- once again --at fault.

I'm prepared to listen to any ideas which would convince me that this hard working mother of two wasn't asking for what she alleges happened to her by doing what she was doing, where she was doing it, and in the manner she did it.

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#2 Apr 17 2006 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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"Rush Limbaugh, for example, called the black student a “ho” on the radio. He later apologized."

Oh, heavens!


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#3 Apr 17 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Moreover, when you consider these two women had no muscle to watch over them at this gig, doesn't that automatically mean they are free lance whores?


No.
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#4 Apr 17 2006 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
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No.


yes.
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#5 Apr 17 2006 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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/nods
Molish gets it.

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#6 Apr 17 2006 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Inevitably, a woman says, a white man asks her to dance erotically while he watches. Or he grabs her rear end. Or asks for sex, in graphic detail, without bothering to ask her name.


Oh no he din't.

I've witnessed black men do all of the above to white women many, many times before. I've seen white men do the same to white women before.

It's not about race, it's about being a female around drunk guys.
#7 Apr 17 2006 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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What I find stunning in that article is the implication that this stripper/hooker was to be upon as a work of art such as a still life or something rather than what she implicitly is: a piece of meat to be objectified. Somehow these men were wrong to get to the stage where she was directly leading them-- to have sex.

Un-fricking-believable.

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#8 Apr 17 2006 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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#1 Your a woman ( or are prepared to undergo heavy surgery to complete the fact) going to dance erotically in a room full of drunk and horny guys.

#2 You have worked as an exotic dancer for a time and understand what doing this kind of work entails.

#3 You DO NOT bring bouncers or muscle of any kind.


Conclusion:

You ARE planning on making extra cash that night.
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#9 Apr 17 2006 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't being a black stripper at a largely white lacrosse team's party automatically mean the woman has excess sexuality spilling out all over the place? Moreover, when you consider these two women had no muscle to watch over them at this gig, doesn't that automatically mean they are free lance whores?


No, that does not mean that she deserved to be raped, if she was. All strippers are not whores, to generalize all under that title is false. One thing it shouldn't matter whether the guys were white or black, rape is rape. Even if it was a white girl, charging guys on a sports team in school is hard to get justice, especially if the team is good and wins all the time. Most of the time the school would rather handle it "quietly" than actually giving a damn about the girl. Stripper or not she didnt deserve that if it actually happened. Thats like saying if a girl dresses sexy she should be allowed to be groped and raped cause she was "asking for it", it does not excuse the behavior.

Yes, I think it was stupid of her to go to a party like that without some type of help, like the OP said a bouncer or muscle. But if it did happen both sides are at fault, she made a bad decision and the guys shouldn't have raped her.(If it happened)

<edit> Them throwing race in it really bothers, as a Black woman myself I see male pigs all the time, and they are of all different colors. They are generalizing by saying the music videos allow white males to think of Black women as pieces of meat. Any guy can think that, come'on if someone knows your a stipper you are going to have the negativity that goes along with that. it is up to that person to make the right decisions about where they do and don't entertain.





Edited, Tue Apr 18 00:24:54 2006 by kalaria
#10 Apr 18 2006 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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kalaria wrote:
All strippers are not whores, to generalize all under that title is false.


Translation:

kalaria wrote:
My daughter's a stripper!
#11 Apr 18 2006 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
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Kalaria's pretty much got the retort right.

I'm not going to speculate about the events that occured. But the race thing is a crock of ****, I'll definitely agree to that.
#12 Apr 18 2006 at 12:52 AM Rating: Good
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Seems like a situation of treating others as you would like to be treated.
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My daughter's a stripper!


omg, Im not that old yet. O_o! lol Some girls get caught up in that 100% of them aren't whores, but yes some are.
#15 Apr 18 2006 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
aren't black women in videos because all mtv plays is gangta rap which is predominantly black?
#16 Apr 18 2006 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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<edit> Them throwing race in it really bothers, as a Black woman myself I see male pigs all the time, and they are of all different colors. They are generalizing by saying the music videos allow white males to think of Black women as pieces of meat.


Agreed. Latinas are portrayed as sultry sex toys. Asian chicks are portrayed as mysterious and/or submissive sex toys. White girls are portrayed as cutesy sex toys.

No wonder guys like Totem and Molish get the idea that sexual assault is okay under some circumstances. You can't assault a toy.
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#17 Apr 18 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, this isn't a race thing, all women have excess sexuality spilling out and men of all races are waiting with cupped hands and mouths agape to catch it.
#18 Apr 18 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
Ehem...

They were hired from a f'ucking ESCORT SERVICE.

Whores.

She showed up drunk and beaten, still hoping to make that chedder.

*****.

She accused them of the rape because she's more likely to get cash out of their daddies than she is from Rayray, Darnell and Jamal.

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#19 Apr 18 2006 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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Moreover, when you consider these two women had no muscle to watch over them at this gig, doesn't that automatically mean they are free lance whores?


No.

Seconded.

I know you're being facetious, because you rarely post at the level of a sixteen-year old boy except to get laughs out of posters who don't know exactly how old you are, and that you're ghey for poodles. Does this make you *****, or simply an older head of family that enjoys prepubescent humour and poodles?

A stripper is a stripper, and although I'm sure you feel any tattoos probably acted as some sort of "fu[/Black]ck me if ya can" signage, she was there to do a job. Strippers are no more for fu[Black]cking than barmaids, bartenders, cheerleaders, nurses, or maids. Are strippers specifically hired for their sensual appeal, entertainment value? Yes. Is that an unequivocal sex invite? No. Any man that claims that is insulting his own intelligence.

Edited to add that contracting yourself out as a dancer while having in the past engaged in sexual acts with men for pay doesn't mean it's okay for folks to drag you into a bathroom and rape you.


Edited, Tue Apr 18 11:02:36 2006 by Atomicflea
#20 Apr 18 2006 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm going to agree with Totem here.

I always wanted to be on the proactive end of a trolling thread.
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#21 Apr 18 2006 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to agree with Totem here.

I always wanted to be on the proactive end of a trolling thread.

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#22 Apr 18 2006 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

Penises unite!


that's.. wrong



either way
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Two Duke University lacrosse players were arrested early Tuesday on charges of raping and kidnapping a stripper hired to dance at an off-campus party, and the district attorney said he hopes to charge a third person soon.
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#23 Apr 18 2006 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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ABC News also obtained an audio recording in which a female security guard, who possibly was the first person to see the alleged victim, said she did not mention anything about a rape and that there were no signs that a sexual assault occurred.

"There ain't no way she was raped — ain't no way, no way that happened," the guard purportedly tells a private investigator in the recording, ABC News reported. The guard had called 911, after which police found the alleged victim at a grocery store parking lot, where the guard was working.

The tape was recorded April 3, three weeks after the alleged sexual assault, ABC News reported. On the tape, the guard says she called 911 after a driver of a car entered the grocery store and said that a woman — the alleged victim — refused to get out of her car.

The guard said the driver said she picked up the alleged victim, whom she had never met, after hearing people yell racial slurs at her as she was walking down the street, ABC News reported.

The guard further says on the tape that she smelled alcohol on the driver , but not the alleged victim, and that the alleged victim was unable to talk, ABC News said.


Wow. interesting read eh? It's almost as if she reflected on her life as a ***** (which was her choice), and was told she could get lots of money for crying rape. It's a fact of life now, women can just cry rape and their world has meaning once again. They get attention, money, and love at the slight expense of someone else’s' life. Small price to pay.

Not saying all rape cases are like this. I 100% agree with chemical castration for rapists with multiple convictions. Hell, stab them in the balls with thin steel slivers for just one conviction. Bet they won't fu'cking do it again.

And of course I would love to torture those who do rape others. To make them feel the pain that they have inflicted upon others, to destroy and humiliate them, and to make them remember for the rest of their lives that happened. Good thing I'm not a cop or judge, because I would take the judgments of god into my own hands.

But this case just REEKS of a woman who was a striper that wouldn't mind a few extra bucks for her "special" of the week. Once she realized that she was a *****, she had a break down and was consoled that she could get $$$ if she spun some "rape" story. Then she would be considered a "work of art," and she could delude herself that she really was.

EDIT: And Sammy; it's nice that since you can't hold a valid argument as to why she isn't a *****, you stoop to personal attacks.

.....Wait, my god I forgot where I was. forum=4 baby! FLAME ON!

Edited, Tue Apr 18 11:50:25 2006 by Molish
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#24 Apr 18 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
Flea - there's no proof that they raped her. At this point its her word against theirs. Hmm. Guess who has more witnesses. Hmm. Guess what no DNA equals in a case of rich white kids vs. a drunk, beat up ghetto bunny who's own partner that evening doesn't believe got raped.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and rightfully polarizing public sentiment by outing the gold digger for what she is. Go go gadget U.S. legal system.
#25 Apr 18 2006 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Flea - there's no proof that they raped her. At this point its her word against theirs. Hmm. Guess who has more witnesses. Hmm. Guess what no DNA equals in a case of rich white kids vs. a drunk, beat up ghetto bunny who's own partner that evening doesn't believe got raped.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and rightfully polarizing public sentiment by outing the gold digger for what she is. Go go gadget U.S. legal system.

I'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself. In past, present, and future posts, it's always the same dumbass argument, and it gets old.
#26 Apr 18 2006 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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'm not so much arguing the specifics of this case, but the basic underlying belief some men seem to have that a woman accusing a man of rape brought it on herself. In past, present, and future posts, it's always the same dumbass argument, and it gets old.

Yes, but in this specific case, the "facts" being discussed here do clearly point to the accusation being accurate, and I fail to see where it gets old. There are plenty of people trucking out the smoke and mirrors that you are using to combat the old arguments when it seems pretty damn clear at this point that all she is is a gold digger that has a politicly ambitious prosecutor in her corner. Jump down off your high horse and acknowledge the likelihood that in this case, a ***** is a ***** is a ***** no matter how she gets paid.
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