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#27 Apr 17 2006 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
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gave out a childs IP address which is against the law.
You may well be right here but indulge my curiousity...

Exactly which law is being broken? First off, my understanding would be that no reputable ISP enters into contract agreements with children so no child actually owns an IP. The parents' IP may have been given out but that's not at all the same thing.

Secondly, I'm trying to find the chapter and verse from the legal code which says you can not reveal an IP address.

You continously state that an admin has broken the law which is quite a claim to be making. Since you are, no doubt, absolutely certain that this legal infraction took place, I'd appreciate your pointing me in the right direction. Numerous queries for laws concerning internet protocol privacy on several search engines have turned up fruitless.


If the poster is indeed an 11 year old child or was under the age of 16 on the date that his IP was posted:
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Cyberharassment can involve child predators. For example, posting a child’s personal contact information online is a form of harassment. However, in the United States, this is now prosecuted as a federal child exploitation crime, if the child being targeted is under 16 years of age.



Search for Minor + Cyber harassment or Minor + Cyber Predator that should Google up the information - you may have been wording it wrong.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 19:17:00 2006 by niobia
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#29 Apr 17 2006 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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niobia the Fussy wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
niobia the Fussy wrote:
gave out a childs IP address which is against the law.
You may well be right here but indulge my curiousity...

Exactly which law is being broken? First off, my understanding would be that no reputable ISP enters into contract agreements with children so no child actually owns an IP. The parents' IP may have been given out but that's not at all the same thing.

Secondly, I'm trying to find the chapter and verse from the legal code which says you can not reveal an IP address.

You continously state that an admin has broken the law which is quite a claim to be making. Since you are, no doubt, absolutely certain that this legal infraction took place, I'd appreciate your pointing me in the right direction. Numerous queries for laws concerning internet protocol privacy on several search engines have turned up fruitless.


If the poster is indeed an 11 year old child or was under the age of 16 on the date that his IP was posted:
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Cyberharassment can involve child predators. For example, posting a child’s personal contact information online is a form of harassment. However, in the United States, this is now prosecuted as a federal child exploitation crime, if the child being targeted is under 16 years of age.






Niobia...the Kao being a child-predator thing is very old and WILL get you banned if you press it. It has been deemed by Alla to be forbidden territory so if you were to get banend for going there, it would be completely justified, findanother angle to attack him at.

Kao is not and has never been a child-predator.

Drop It!
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#30 Apr 17 2006 at 6:19 PM Rating: Excellent
So where's this thread where Kao exposed the minor's IP?


Not that I care, I'm just fishing for minor's IP's.
#31 Apr 17 2006 at 6:21 PM Rating: Default
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Shroom Im not accusing Kaolian of being a child predator, Jophial asked me to prove how posting a childs IP address constitutes as breaking a law. Under the current Federal law in regards to Cyber crimes involving minors, posting an alleged 11 year olds IP address is catagorized as "Child Exploitation".


The thread is in bookmarks.





Edited, Mon Apr 17 19:21:59 2006 by niobia
#32 Apr 17 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I know, but it looked like you could have gone in that direction if you wanted to so I thought I'd warn you of the consequences just in case.
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#33 Apr 17 2006 at 6:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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"Personal contact information" refers to things such as a phone number or an physical address. Even an e-mail address may count as "personal contact information". Can you please show me the law that says that revealing an IP address is illegal? I've only found numerous privacy policies that seperate the two but, of course, law isn't determined by privacy policy. But I haven't found any laws saying that IP addresses are protected either.
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#34 Apr 17 2006 at 6:28 PM Rating: Default
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I know, but it looked like you could have gone in that direction if you wanted to so I thought I'd warn you of the consequences just in case.


Like Dracoid? No, Joph just asked me to back up my arguement and I did. Unfortunatly, from what I can see the law doesn't seem to differentiate between an adult that acted innapropriately because they lost their temper with a minor and that sicko that comes to mind when you hear the word "Child Exploitation"
#35 Apr 17 2006 at 6:31 PM Rating: Default
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Jophiel wrote:
"Personal contact information" refers to things such as a phone number or an physical address. Even an e-mail address may count as "personal contact information". Can you please show me the law that says that revealing an IP address is illegal? I've only found numerous privacy policies that seperate the two but, of course, law isn't determined by privacy policy. But I haven't found any laws saying that IP addresses are protected either.


Joph the information I got was off of the FBI. I think you are searching for laws as applied to adults and not as applied to minors.
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#36 Apr 17 2006 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Dracoid did what he did for the sole purpose of getting himself banned.


But I'm serious about dropping this issue. It's getting old and annoying. What's done is done and complaining about it isn't going to change anything.

Everyone needs to just calm down about Kao.
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#37 Apr 17 2006 at 6:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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But I'm serious about dropping this issue. It's getting old and annoying. What's done is done and complaining about it isn't going to change anything.

Everyone needs to just calm down about Kao.


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Edited, Mon Apr 17 19:36:24 2006 by TheDakster
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niobia the Fussy wrote:
Joph the information I got was off of the FBI.
No, the section you quoted was from some random 'internet safety' site not affiliated with the government in any way. The site you actually linked to was a list of contact information but no specifics involving the actual law.

In fact, in Chapter 15, Title 91, § 6501 of the Child Internet Protection Act it identifies "personal contact information" as...
The US Legal Code wrote:
(8) Personal information
The term "personal information" means individually identifiable information about an individual collected online, including—
(A) a first and last name;
(B) a home or other physical address including street name and name of a city or town;
(C) an e-mail address;
(D) a telephone number;
(E) a Social Security number;
(F) any other identifier that the Commission determines permits the physical or online contacting of a specific individual; or
(G) information concerning the child or the parents of that child that the website collects online from the child and combines with an identifier described in this paragraph.
IP addresses are not individually identifiable information. They only identify a particular internet connection that was used at the time. They don't even identify an individual computer by definition -- my own connection is a dial-up and uses a dynamicly produced IP every time I dial in.

You could make a weak argument that IP addresses could be included in (F) but that's only because (F) includes anything and everything that the Commission decides it includes. Obviously, however, they didn't think IP addresses ranked highly enough as "personal contact information" to include it into their list.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 19:57:46 2006 by Jophiel
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#39 Apr 17 2006 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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1337 wrote:
Cyberharassment can involve child predators. For example, posting a child’s personal contact information online is a form of harassment. However, in the United States, this is now prosecuted as a federal child exploitation crime, if the child being targeted is under 16 years of age.


Niobia's "OWNED" skill rises 3.2 points!


Not really at all, actually. She's quite off the mark.
#40REDACTED, Posted: Apr 17 2006 at 7:06 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I was vaguely messing around with her. Albeit it failed and seemed quite off. However, you missed the underlaying meaning. w/e I don't even care anymore.
#41REDACTED, Posted: Apr 17 2006 at 7:08 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It seems to fit into G and a little F, but nothing else really so if anyone ever did do anything it'd be thrown out of court.
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weedjedi wrote:
Joph wrote:
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G) information concerning the child or the parents of that child that the website collects online from the child and combines with an identifier described in this paragraph.


It seems to fit into G and a little F, but nothing else really so if anyone ever did do anything it'd be thrown out of court.

Thus, no laws broken!
Erm... (G) requires that something else from the above paragraph apply. Unless you accept that IP addresses fall under (F), there's no case for (G). Even if you accept (F) -- and I don't since IP addresses don't fall in the same league as phone numbers and physical addresses -- there's still no additional information given to make (G) a case.
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#43 Apr 17 2006 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
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#44 Apr 17 2006 at 7:38 PM Rating: Good
You morans forget that the owner of this site is a lawyer. Had there been wrong doing, we would have known by now. Kaolian would be gone. Some people will post anything for attention. Smiley: oyvey

For future reference, if you want attention just post something about selling an account or gold. That usually garners attention.
#45 Apr 17 2006 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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You morans


You should be included in this. You seem to be posting here more than the Asylum lately. Has a little Scandinavian chick drawn your gaze?
#46 Apr 17 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
You morans forget that the owner of this site is a lawyer.
I'm well aware that Alla is a lawyer. But I don't know what type (I wouldn't expect a real estate lawyer to know the answer off the cuff) and, more importantly, since Niobia keeps saying this is Gospel I wanted to see her actually cough up the actual law. And, no, quips from some random website don't count as the law.

At the very best, we can make half-assed guesses whether or not an IP address would qualify for (F) but, until the Committee judges upon it and sets precedent, it'd be best if Niobia either posted a law or else stopped talking out of her *** an accusing people of breaking the law when no such thing actually occurred.

As someone on another forum explained:
I have never heard of something like that being illegal and I don't really know why it would be. An IP address usually can't be definitely tied back even to a specific computer let alone a person. Many personal ISP Ip addresses are dynamic and get reassigned to different people all the time. The best you can usually do is tie the IP address to a geographic area.

Pretty much what I said but, hey, another voice of agreement is always nice.
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#47 Apr 17 2006 at 7:44 PM Rating: Default
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
You morans forget that the owner of this site is a lawyer. Had there been wrong doing, we would have known by now. Kaolian would be gone. Some people will post anything for attention. Smiley: oyvey

For future reference, if you want attention just post something about selling an account or gold. That usually garners attention.


isn't he a Patent lawyer? thats like going to a vetrinarian with a sick child.

If they can establish that the childs location ie address can be taken off the IP (which someone posting in the thread did do) then it could fall under B (I don't have Jophs post in front of me)

You can't assume Alla is aware, if he is a Lawyer, much less a patent lawyer he doesn't have the freetime to be deeply involved with his business thus he has to have trust in the people that he hires to do the right thing.


it would appear my instructor is on an extended easter break :(

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Edited, Mon Apr 17 20:47:40 2006 by niobia
#48 Apr 17 2006 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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#49 Apr 17 2006 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
Flea'jo wrote:
Elderon the Wise wrote:
You morans forget that the owner of this site is a lawyer.
I'm well aware that Alla is a lawyer.
Calm down Flea'jo, saying you didn't know would be like saying the sky wasn't blue. I'm trying to make the bad internet voices go away. Smiley: grin




Edited, Mon Apr 17 20:56:08 2006 by Elderon
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niobia the Fussy wrote:
If they can establish that the childs location ie address can be taken off the IP (which someone posting in the thread did do)
Unless your argument is that the kid sleeps in a filing cabinet drawer at the Sprint DSL switching office, no they didn't. That was the only address given. Hell, someone else even posted that the IP wasn't pingable meaning that it was probably dynamic so (F) wouldn't even apply.

Come on now, you keep saying Kao broke the law. Over and over you've said so. Give me the exact law already that was broken. Or else at least STFU about it.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 20:59:21 2006 by Jophiel
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#51 Apr 17 2006 at 7:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Nothing to see here, move along.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 21:02:59 2006 by Barkingturtle
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