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#1 Apr 17 2006 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Really. What the hell are you thinking?

The conflict about negative imagery aside, when did Abercrombie & Fitch turn into Spencer Gifts? If I need to buy crappy quality tees with asinine statements on them, then there is a wealth of places for me to do so that doesn't rip holes in them and then charge me $60 a pop. Dumbasses.


Edited, Mon Apr 17 14:19:51 2006 by Atomicflea
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Published April 17, 2006


A group of young girls made such a fuss last year about a line of Abercrombie & Fitch shirts that read, "Who needs brains when you've got these?" that the company stopped selling the shirts in November.

Over the last month, Maureen Forte, a 4th grade Chicago Public Schools teacher, has been making her own ruckus--in the media, in her school--about a line of T-shirts that she has seen in Chicago-area malls and believes have been on the market for a few months.

That ruckus has included telephoning several companies to let them know just how their trademarks are being used on the T-shirts.

- One of the T-shirts shows Sesame Street's Bert character chug-a-lugging from a 40-ounce bottle wrapped in a brown paper bag. Ernie is wielding what appears to be an automatic weapon.

- Another of the T-shirts shows other members of the adorable Sesame cast, that's Bert, Ernie, Big Bird (sporting a do-rag) and Oscar the Grouch, standing around looking menacing while signs tell you that this intersection is: "DON'TMESSWITME ST." (Yes, that's "wit" and not "with.")

- Yet another T-shirt shows Kellogg's Tony the Tiger staring bleary-eyed over a plate of white powder. Instead of "Frosted Flakes" the cereal depicted here is called "Totally Frosted." A caption warns: "Don't get high on your own supply."

- Still, another shows the big-beaked cuckoo bird from General Mills' Cocoa Puffs cereal sitting amid emerald green buds. He's puffing on something akin to a marijuana cigarette. The brand name on this cereal box is "Loco Puffs." The wording tells you that the contents are "fortified with the good s#@%."

Forte, who is African-American, teaches English as a second language at the predominately Hispanic Sawyer Elementary School in the Gage Park neighborhood. She said she's riled about the T-shirts because she's worried that too many black and Hispanic children are being force-fed these images.

It's a concern she often expresses on her radio talk show, which is where she first heard about the T-shirts. Parents and college students called in to complain about them. They told her they were being sold at The Plaza in Evergreen Park. She stopped by the store last month to see for herself.

"At the time, [Sawyer elementary teachers] were preparing the kids for the ISAT," a standardized test, she told me. "I said [to the store manager], `This is why our kids can't concentrate. This is why the incarceration budget is higher than the education budget.' I said, `This is a disgrace.'"

She told me that before he showed her the door, he told her that the T-shirts were among his best sellers and were designed for adults. (To that I say: Really? Using co-opted SpongeBob and Sesame Street characters as bait?) He later told a newspaper that this was a 1st Amendment issue.

While that may be true, the shirts also raise a trademark infringement issue. Apparently none of the companies knew the $20 T-shirts held their trademarks. That was, not until Forte notified them.

"Obviously the items are being produced illegally," Kirstie Foster, a spokeswoman for General Mills, said last week. "We're working with local law enforcement to trace the manufacturers and sellers of these items and remove them from the marketplace."

Since last month, Forte has written opinion pieces on the subject in local newspapers. And as she has created the stir, the shirts mysteriously have disappeared from that store in The Plaza. They also are no longer being sold in a store she heard about in Markham. She suspects they're still being sold in other Chicago-area stores. As of late last week, they were still available on a Web site.

Why do these shirts upset Forte so much? Why did Abercrombie's shirts upset the young girls who got those shirts pulled?

If I could have reached the designer of the T-shirts, I would have explained that the common thread here is the messages and the images the shirts portray.

This is particularly true of the T-shirts, as the wearers are often the most vulnerable kids who live in neighborhoods where these images don't just exist as paint on cotton.

Strip away the cute cartoon characters, and thugs and gangbangers play these roles in everyday life.

"I find it disturbing that some parents actually go and buy this garbage for their children to wear," Forte said. "That's $20 that can go toward books for a home library. You could open a checking or savings account."

Forte recently saw a pupil at Sawyer walking in the corridor wearing one of the T-shirts. It read, "Nestle's Trick."

The girl had worn the shirt on a day when the dress code was relaxed and no adult had paid attention to it until Forte saw it at the end of the day.

"Her mother later told me that she wasn't aware of how the child got the shirt," Forte said. "She normally watches what her daughter wears. The mom said she destroyed the shirt immediately."

Sounds like that would be the perfect ending for all the T-shirts.

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#5 Apr 17 2006 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Abercrombie angle is kind of old, dating back from November. The character rip-offs seem to have been from some other dump.

More importantly though, I see that you're making the Tribune a part of your media staple diet. Good, good...
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#6 Apr 17 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Default
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It's just a f[/cyan]ucking shirt...why the f[cyan]uck do these people insist on getting everything that they don't agree with taken away?
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#7 Apr 17 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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The Abercrombie angle is kind of old, dating back from November. The character rip-offs seem to have been from some other dump.

It's not the first, second, or even third time that they've marketed shirts with these kinds of slogans, though. First there were the Asian tees, then the Olympics ones, then the sexist ones, then these. It's crap I can buy at any store on the VA Beach Boardwalk for $10.

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More importantly though, I see that you're making the Tribune a part of your media staple diet. Good, good...
Too lazy to open up the link to washingtonpost.com, bestest of all papers, so I used your Trib link. Smiley: grin
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It's just a f[/cyan]ucking shirt...why the f[cyan]uck do these people insist on getting everything that they don't agree with taken away?
Well, in this case it was also a shirt illegally infringing on the trademarks of other companies but I doubt that'll sway your opinion.

I imagine they upset her because she's an educator trying to take these minority students and turn them into something better than street scum and gangbangers and, when students start wearing clothing that glorifying those elements and making them fun and innocent, she takes objection to it.

I can understand her complaint and she went through legitimate consumer and legal channels so I don't really have a problem with it.
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#9 Apr 17 2006 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
King Driftwood wrote:
It's just a f[/cyan]ucking shirt...why the f[cyan]uck do these people insist on getting everything that they don't agree with taken away?
Well, in this case it was also a shirt illegally infringing on the trademarks of other companies but I doubt that'll sway your opinion.

I imagine they upset her because she's an educator trying to take these minority students and turn them into something better than street scum and gangbangers and, when students start wearing clothing that glorifying those elements and making them fun and innocent, she takes objection to it.

I can understand her complaint and she went through legitimate consumer and legal channels so I don't really have a problem with it.


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#11 Apr 17 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Was that actually on the shirt, or did one of you yahoos draw it on?
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#14 Apr 17 2006 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
Is that the whole article? Because I don't see where the trademark infringing T-shirts are being sold in Abercrombie & Fitch (referred to as A & F from now on) stores but merely in the mall. The A & F tit-for-brain shirts are fine with me, because I'm all for teen girls sexualizing and devaluing themselves so long as Tony the tiger isn't involved. I suppose I could just register and log-in, but I really don't want to. It's hard to imagine a large company like A & F being so foolish as to sell shirts that would require trademark consent without first attaining it.

So the question becomes why is A & F such an easy target? I think it's because everyone can agree how stupid it is to buy clothing which is manufactured to appear used but is still priced as if woven from the emperor's pubes.
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Is that the whole article? Because I don't see where the trademark infringing T-shirts are being sold in Abercrombie & Fitch
I think Flea was confusing the lead-in bit about last years A&F debacle to this month's Tony the Tiger on crack shirt.

the A&F thing was pulled largely due to little girls getting on Oprah or whatever and complaining. God damn fourth-graders always ruining everyone else's fun. Smiley: mad
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#17 Apr 17 2006 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
Ok, the obvious trademark infringement is reason enough for the shirts to get taken off the market, and I'm sure they will be now that the companies are aware of it.

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"At the time, [Sawyer elementary teachers] were preparing the kids for the ISAT," a standardized test, she told me. "I said [to the store manager], `This is why our kids can't concentrate. This is why the incarceration budget is higher than the education budget.' I said, `This is a disgrace.'"


OHHH, so THAT'S what the problem was. All of the societal problems in urban areas can be traced back to some t-shirts! Well hot damn! Once we get rid of them, all these kids will surely become A-students and every ghetto resident will turn into an upstanding citizen. Kudos to this ambitious woman for finally solving the problem.
#18 Apr 17 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
Fuc[red][/red]king Oprah. I just wanted to make sure shopping at A & F was still the socially responsible thing to do.








edited because I will not let the swear filter undermine my Oprahate.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 15:21:31 2006 by Barkingturtle
#19 Apr 17 2006 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Forest for the trees, kiddo. Forest for the trees.

The shirts are one more piece of a pop-culture society that glorifies violence, drug use, gang affiliation, etc. Perhaps the teacher can't change Hollywood or what's on MTv but she can make a small change for the better by railing against the shirts.
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#20 Apr 17 2006 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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"At the time, [Sawyer elementary teachers] were preparing the kids for the ISAT," a standardized test, she told me. "I said [to the store manager], `This is why our kids can't concentrate. This is why the incarceration budget is higher than the education budget.' I said, `This is a disgrace.'"


They blame everyone and everything else but the parents. :/ So I guess according to her a clothing company is responsible for societies downfall. I'm sorry but Ive never seen anyone read a shirt that has "Totally Frosted" and be like "Damn! I gotta try that!". Your always gonna have the people that want to try everything they see and don't know reality form entertainment or how to take a joke. That's why its something called parenting, and not let the TV be the babysitter, and reinforce your child with the knowledge they need to make responsible decicisions.(with the select few who never listen)

They definately wouldn't like Tshirthell.com, lmao.

Edited, Mon Apr 17 15:32:59 2006 by kalaria
#21 Apr 17 2006 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
Well you obviously weren't paying attention but the guy right above you, Jophiel wrote:
Forest for the trees, kiddo. Forest for the trees.

The shirts are one more piece of a pop-culture society that glorifies violence, drug use, gang affiliation, etc. Perhaps the teacher can't change Hollywood or what's on MTv but she can make a small change for the better by railing against the shirts.


Edited, Mon Apr 17 15:40:40 2006 by Barkingturtle
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They blame everyone and everything else but the parents.
You know this how?

The woman is a teacher and parent communication is a major part of her job. I assume she has a grasp on how important parents are.
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#23 Apr 17 2006 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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You know this how?

The woman is a teacher and parent communication is a major part of her job. I assume she has a grasp on how important parents are.


Because alot of people don't even consider that when they choose to blame certain stuff of "brainwashing" our children. Yes, I understand that there are things in the media, music, movies, tv etc.. that glorify violence, drug use etc.., but it all starts in the house hold. They sometimes like to omit the parents being the main influence the childs life and blame everything else.
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Forte, who is African-American, teaches English as a second language at the predominately Hispanic Sawyer Elementary School in the Gage Park neighborhood. She said she's riled about the T-shirts because she's worried that too many black and Hispanic children are being force-fed these images.

Who cares if white kids are being force-fed negative images, right? They're white, so they've got that goin' for them.

Fückin' ridiculous. Smiley: oyvey
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I doubt anyone is seriously blaming the gangster subculture on shirts.

Like Joph said, however, when the signal-to-noise ratio becomes critical, and I think we can all agree that it has, it's important to take steps - even baby steps - to reduce the noise and amp the signal. Starting locally is probably the way to go to get the biggest return on her time investment, so that's what she's doing.

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#26 Apr 17 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Who cares if white kids are being force-fed negative images, right? They're white, so they've got that goin' for them.

Fückin' ridiculous.


That's one thing that trully upsets me, sometimes people don't want to do anything until it affects their race. It should be if it affects any children, but sometimes it doesn't work out like that. :(

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