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#1 Apr 13 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
This topic garners a mixed bag of opinions in my family. My wife and I had discussed the notion of being able to put a GPS locator device in an embedded micro chip to locate our kids in case they were ever abducted or went missing. The cons that came out of the conversation included concerns regarding 'hackers' being able to use it against them as well as the fact that technology cannot make up for lack of common sense. i.e., if you put yourself in harm's way, you increase the odds of something bad happening, so prevention starts with knowledge.

Now that technology seems to be here, in the form of a cell phone that allows parents to "spy" on their kids. I do not see any value in this unless you already have a trust problem with your kids. Since cell phone signals can already be traced by triangulation, there really is no additional safety value with the GPS other than if the child was in trouble, out of the cellular service area and had their phone on. So, is it just a gimmic to get more of your hard earned cash, or is there some real value in this new service? Also, is there a real danger of this being exploited by criminals for whatever unscrupulous reasons? I for one, am not sold on the beneifts of this service.

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Sprint Users Can Track Children Via GPS

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Up until now, parents had to deal with a separate company or buy special equipment to track their children through their cell phones. Sprint Nextel Corp. becomes the first U.S. wireless provider to sell its own product when the Family Locator Service rolls out Thursday.

Using the Global Positioning System, the service allows parents to track up to four cell phones over the Internet or on their own wireless device. Parents can periodically ask the service to find the child's phone, displaying the location on a road map.

Parents can also set alerts, automatically warning the parent if the child isn't at a certain place, such as school or soccer practice, at a specific time.

The child's phone also displays a text message, letting the child know they've been searched for and found.

The software, provided through WaveMarket Inc. for $9.99 per month, can be downloaded on 17 existing phones and can locate 28 GPS-enabled models.

Sprint officials insist their service isn't a "Big Brother" tool.

"It's not about tracking. It's not about monitoring," said Dan Gilmartin, Sprint's marketing manager for location-based services. "It's about giving parents and caregivers peace of mind that they're able to find their children's location."

He added that the service could let adults keep track of elderly parents.

The demand for child-locating products is heating up, with several third-party providers, such as Wherify and Teen Arrive Alive, already selling location services.

Last week, CATS Communication Inc. said it was releasing a service to warn parents if their child goes near the home of a registered sex offender, and The Walt Disney Co. is targeting children this summer with a GPS-enabled phone that includes a locating feature.





Edited, Thu Apr 13 12:45:08 2006 by Elderon
#2 Apr 13 2006 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Wouldnt it be more useful to the customers if a phone could get its own location and use that for navigation or somthing? Yea, that'd be great.
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I aggree that this is a trust issue more than anything. If the authorities need the location of a cell phone, we are led to believe that they can access that information. They want joo money.
#3 Apr 13 2006 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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So much for games like hide and go seek. Smiley: frown

Edited, Thu Apr 13 12:47:03 2006 by MentalFrog
#4 Apr 13 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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So much for games like hide and go seek.

Hax!
#5 Apr 13 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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If you just keep your kids locked in their cage then you don't have to worry about this here technology mumbo jumbo.

#6 Apr 13 2006 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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Who are you worried is going to pin-point your particular signal and is gonna come hunting after you? The Terminator?
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#7 Apr 13 2006 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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I suppose it could work if your child is on parole, but then if your child is on parole, you have bigger fish to fry.
#8 Apr 13 2006 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Using the Global Positioning System, the service allows parents to track up to four cell phones over the Internet or on their own wireless device. Parents can periodically ask the service to find the child's phone, displaying the location on a road map.

Parents can also set alerts, automatically warning the parent if the child isn't at a certain place, such as school or soccer practice, at a specific time.

The child's phone also displays a text message, letting the child know they've been searched for and found.


What they aren't saying here is that it uses the data transfer lines for your phone service, which is a paid service in addtion to any minutes you have for your phone, and not available in all areas. Some companies will charge a flat rate for unlimited data transfer, but most charge per minute.

When I worked armed security, the client had this service on all the cell phones and we were catching hell for downloading MP3s, ringers, etc. and their bill was getting huge charges from the data line access. Then they found out it wasn't officers downloading things, but was the GPS tracking. They were charged a minute of data service every time we were pinged. Sometimes we would get pinged as much as 6 times every 15 minutes. They cancelled the service shortly after that.


Edited, Thu Apr 13 14:08:32 2006 by BloodwolfeX
#9 Apr 13 2006 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
Now overprotective parents can go even further to twist and mangle their child's personality!


Mother: By Pink Floyd

Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb?
Mother do you think they'll like this song?
Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls?
Mother should I build the wall?
Mother should I run for president?
Mother should I trust the government?
Mother will they put me in the firing line?
Ooooh is it just a waste of time?

Hush now baby, baby, dont you cry.
Mother's gonna make all your nightmares come true.
Mother's gonna put all her fears into you.
Mother's gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She wont let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mama will keep baby cozy and warm.
Ooooh baby ooooh baby oooooh baby,
Of course mama'll help to build the wall.

Mother do you think she's good enough -- to me?
Mother do you think she's dangerous -- to me?
Mother will she tear your little boy apart?
Mother will she break my heart?

Hush now baby, baby dont you cry.
Mama's gonna check out all your girlfriends for you.
Mama wont let anyone dirty get through.
Mama's gonna wait up until you get in.
Mama will always find out where you've been.
Mama's gonna keep baby healthy and clean.
Ooooh baby oooh baby oooh baby,
You'll always be baby to me.

Mother, did it need to be so high?
#10 Apr 13 2006 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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This actually goes to the heart of the issue concerning the President and his alleged abuse of FISA. Unknown to most people using it, Onstar is doing everything and more what the NSA is supposedly doing. To add insult to injury, these people are even paying for the privilege. The difference between them is one is commercial entity who uses that information for profit and the other is your government with no credible reason to spy on you unless you have ties to terror organizations.

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#11 Apr 13 2006 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree, except I don't think Onstar is looking for reasons to put me in prison.


#12 Apr 13 2006 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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I'm saving up for the Noblet's burfday. I'm buying him a subcutaneous GPS locator that emits an "Osama Associate" signal to the nearest MI6 beacon.

(I was going to link it to a CIA beacon, but figured Langley would scramble a "Blue on Blue" troupe of green berets who would mistakenly wipe out a dozen coalition units instead of taking out the target)
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#13 Apr 13 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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My answer to that is your government isn't looking to put you in prison-- unless you have ties to a terrorist organization. It's not some malevolent body intent on cooping up their citizenry. After all, you don't pay many taxes when you're in the pokey. However, it is interested in finding out if you plan to harm any of those taxpaying John Q. Publics. How else would they fund their pet projects unless the cash continues to flow?

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#14 Apr 13 2006 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
My answer to that is your government isn't looking to put you in prison-- unless you have ties to a terrorist organization. It's not some malevolent body intent on cooping up their citizenry. After all, you don't pay many taxes when you're in the pokey. However, it is interested in finding out if you plan to harm any of those taxpaying John Q. Publics. How else would they fund their pet projects unless the cash continues to flow?

Totem
Q is for. . . . ?
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#15 Apr 13 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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***** prolly.

/shrugs

I always suspected it was some Latin saying.

Totem
#16 Apr 13 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
Nobby wrote:
Totem wrote:
My answer to that is your government isn't looking to put you in prison-- unless you have ties to a terrorist organization. It's not some malevolent body intent on cooping up their citizenry. After all, you don't pay many taxes when you're in the pokey. However, it is interested in finding out if you plan to harm any of those taxpaying John Q. Publics. How else would they fund their pet projects unless the cash continues to flow?

Totem
Q is for. . . . ?
Quagmire. Giggidy giggidy goo.



edit: typing in the dark sucks.


Edited, Thu Apr 13 19:35:15 2006 by Elderon
#17 Apr 13 2006 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
I agree, except I don't think Onstar is looking for reasons to put me in prison.




I know a guy who got sent to prison because of his Onstar service.

DUI, an embankment and Onstar combined to achieve weekend jail for a year for the dude.
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