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#1 Apr 11 2006 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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A scholar known for his work on guns and crime filed a defamation lawsuit Monday against University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt, co-author of the best-seller "Freakonomics."

John Lott Jr. of Virginia, a former U. of C. visiting professor, alleges that Levitt defamed him in the book by claiming that other scholars had tried and failed to confirm Lott's conclusion that allowing people to carry concealed weapons reduces crime. Publishers Weekly ranked "Freakonomics" eighth this week for non-fiction hardcover books.

According to Levitt's book: "When other scholars have tried to replicate [Lott's] results, they found that right-to-carry laws simply don't bring down crime."

But according to Lott's lawsuit: "In fact, every time that an economist or other researcher has replicated Lott's research, he or she has confirmed Lott's conclusion."

By suggesting that Lott's results could not be replicated, Levitt is "alleging that Lott falsified his results," the lawsuit says.

Lott is seeking a court order to block further sales of "Freakonomics" until the offending statements are retracted and changed. He is also seeking unspecified money damages.
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According to the lawsuit, Levitt also defamed Lott in an e-mail that Levitt sent to an economist in Texas last May. The e-mail described work that Lott published in an academic journal in 2001. It falsely stated that Lott's work had not been peer-reviewed and that Lott had blocked scholars with opposing views from appearing in the same issue of the journal, the lawsuit said.
Just thought you might find it interesting since I know you've read the book.
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#2 Apr 11 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aww, I feel special.

I'm surprised Levitt hasn't been sued a few times, actually (assuming he hasn't). He said some fairly forthright things, naming names and what not.

We'll see what happens. The burden of proof is on Lott to show that his results can indeed be substantiated, and that his findings were peer reviewed before publication, etc. Should be fun!
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#3 Apr 11 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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Under United States law libel generally requires five key elements. The plaintiff must prove that the information was published, the defendant was directly or indirectly identified, the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation, the published information is false, and that the defendant is at fault.


Three of five are established by virtue of the book existing. Prove the claim to be false and you get the fifth item as a bonus.


mmmmm, the fifth element. (Multipass)
#4 Apr 11 2006 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
Our state just passed a law to allow carrying concealed weapons, but with the caveat that local city laws trump the state law. The two largest cities have laws against so I don't see a huge affect on us for now.
#5 Apr 11 2006 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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If Lott had spent any time in internet fora, he'd know that the lawsuit "bumping" Levitt's book would only make him look worse. Better to just ignore it and let it fall to page 2.


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If Lott had spent any time in internet fora
Angsty's gotten to you, hasn't he?
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#7 Apr 11 2006 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
If Lott had spent any time in internet fora, he'd know that the lawsuit "bumping" Levitt's book would only make him look worse. Better to just ignore it and let it fall to page 2.


Or maybe it has nothing to do with hurting/helping the sales of a book, and is simply an academic defending his credentials. Yeah. Crazy thought. I know...
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#8 Apr 11 2006 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:
If Lott had spent any time in internet fora, he'd know that the lawsuit "bumping" Levitt's book would only make him look worse. Better to just ignore it and let it fall to page 2.


Or maybe it has nothing to do with hurting/helping the sales of a book, and is simply an academic defending his credentials. Yeah. Crazy thought. I know...


Lol. The OP made the somewhat obvious connection to the fact that there are multiple game sites at Alla's. Depending on how you access the forums, the look and style is different. Also, depending on how you access the site, you get different links in the "Forums..." section to the left (see! Look to the left).

Those of us who access the site from the EQ POV see Main EQ forum, Quest Forum, OOT, and Asylum. Presumably, all but the last two are different if you access it from a different game path.

I think it just suddenly dawned on the OP that the OOT and Asylum links in the FFXI form were not "special" ones just for FFXI players, but were in commmon across all games.

Should have been obvious. Certainly didn't need a thread about it. Then again, if he didn't know, maybe others never caught on either, and maybe they'll read this and realize that they really shouldn't post stuff bout their particular game here.

Probably wont make any different though.



#9 Apr 11 2006 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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"[Lott] demands that anyone who wants to challenge his arguments become immersed in a very complex statistical debate, based on computations so difficult that they cannot be done with ordinary desktop computers. He challenges anyone who disagrees with him to download his data set and redo his calculations, but most social scientists do not think it worth their while to replicate studies using methods that have repeatedly failed. Two highly respected criminal justice researchers, Frank Zimring and Gordon Hawkins (1997) wrote an article explaining that:
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just as Messrs. Lott and Mustard can, with one model of the determinants of homicide, produce statistical residuals suggesting that 'shall issue' laws reduce homicide, we expect that a determined econometrician can produce a treatment of the same historical periods with different models and opposite effects. Econometric modeling is a double-edged sword in its capacity to facilitate statistical findings to warm the hearts of true believers of any stripe.
Zimring and Hawkins were right. Within a year, two determined econometricians, Dan Black and Daniel Nagin (1998) published a study showing that if they changed the statistical model a little bit, or applied it to different segments of the data, Lott and Mustard's findings disappeared." (Myths of Murder and Multiple Regression, Ted Goertzel, The Skeptical Inquirer, Volume 26, No 1, January/February 2002).



Obviously not as cut-and-dried as Lott would have his audience think.
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