Um... Yeah.
shadowrelm wrote:
wow, your almost worse than the addministraition spinn doctor. 1. wilson NEVER EVER infered Iraq was in any way complying with the terms of the U.N.....not U.S.....but U.N. resolutions. EVER.
Um... I called them UN resolutions. It's even there in the malformed 'quote' you did of me.
Follow along with me. UN resolution
687 states the following:
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12. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any research, development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the above;
Clearly, if Iraqi agents are secretly meeting with Niger to buy uranium, that's an attempt to violate the terms of the UN resolution. The fact that Niger didn't sell them uranium doesn't change the fact that they were *trying* to buy uranium. Not succeeding doesn't mean you didn't do anything wrong.
Joe Wilson
knew this. Yet, in his Op Ed article, he claims to not understand how the President could make the statement that Iraq "sought to obtain" uranium from Niger. He spins a tale designed to make the reader believe that Iraq is in complete compliance with the UN resolutions on this issue, and that there's no danger that they might obtain nuclear materials if left to their own devices.
Um... Which are both blatantly false.
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what wilson did was investigate, and then report on the "iraq/niger" yellow cake rumor the whiehouse was floating around to support their march to war. he found EVIDENCE, something the whithouse doesnt use, that the document connecting iraq with niger was FORGED. infact, the government representative it proclaimed was metting with iraqi officials was not even in office or the country for that matter at the time the document claimed the meeting took place.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the biggest red herring of them all. This isn't true. This is what you've been led to believe, via careful redacting of the facts and ordering of the semantics.
The Whitehouse knew that the "forged document" was forged for about a year before Bush made his statement (and for some time before the CIA sent Wilson on his trip). They already knew that document was false. But the document was "found" (somewhat mysteriously I might add) while they were investigating other leads that Iraq may have purchased uranium from a nation in Africa. Those leads were followed. The document was ignored. The leads led them to Niger, where Wilson found that Iraq did attempt to purchase uranium, but apparently failed to get Niger to go along.
There's some speculation that the document was created deliberately to be an obvious forgery in an attempt to throw investigators off the trail of a possible "real" purchase. It's obviously forged nature would lead some to believe that since it was forged, no sale could have taken place. That's pretty **** poor logic though. It just means that the document is fake. Period. Its falsehood does not change the statements by the former PM of Niger confirming that Iraq did indeed attempt to purchase uranium from them. That is a *fact*. That is what Bush said in his speech. Why is anyone questioning a statement in a speech that has been proven repeatedly to be absolutely true?
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2. any refernace to his wife, and her connection to the CIA could have, and should have been left out of the released material. there was no reason to include referances to his wife and her connection to the CIA to do what they claimed was their intent. and they line out sensitive information all the time on xdeclassified material.
The references to Wilson's wife appear in the SSCI report on Joe Wilson's trip (That's Senate Select Committee on Intelligence). That report was prepared by the CIA. Not the White House. If the CIA included information in their report that they shouldn't have, then blame them. If the information was "classified" and Plame's identity was correctly indicated as classified within that document, then the leak could have been in the SSCI. Or the CIA. Or the DoD. Or any of a dozen other locations (certainly including the White House).
The fact is that if Plame was indeed a NOC, then you are correct. She should never have appeared in that report. Even the classified one. A NOCs identity is "need to know" stuff. It should never appear in a casually classifed document. If that's the case, then we really need to be looking at the CIA to find this leak. Mere employment at the CIA is *not* considered secret information. The reference to Wilson's wife in the document would not ever have been considered something that was "secret". The "leak" occurs before the writing of this document. That much is clear. Heck. The guys writing the reports at the CIA should not have been cleared to know that Wilson's wife was a NOC. It simply should never have appeared there (again assuming she actually was a NOC, which is not absolutely certain at all).
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the inferance in her referances not being lined out was that it was their intent infact to expose her. and exposing her has NOTHING, NADA, ZERO to do with supporting their march to war.
Blame the folks who prepared and wrote the document. Not the White House. The reports on the Wilson trip were made by employees of the CIA.
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it was political payback. nothing more. and NOWHERE in ANY document concerning the rights of the president does it allow for using the office of the president and its resources for the sole purpose of political payback.
There is absolutely zero evidence that anyone in the White House knew that Plame was a NOC, or that her employment at the CIA was supposed to be secret. Nor is there any evidence that her involvement in getting Wilson the trip was part of any political attack. The purpose of giving reporters some classified information about the trip was to get the information about the conversation with the PM out there so that people could see that Wilson's statements were not true. Any inclusion or discovery that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA was secondary to that objective. It was a footnote at best.
What this whole thing has best done is bury the whole point that the Bush administration was trying to get out there. That the PM of Niger reported that Iraq did attempt to purchase uranium from them. That was the information they wanted the public to know. Interestingly enough, the whole Plame debacle has completely obscured that. Hmmmm... One might be suspicious about that.
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its cheap, its petty, its immoral, ...
Yeah. It is pretty cheap to use sensationalist tactics to conceal the truth. Like when the government releases documents that prove that what they said was true and what Wilson said was false, and suddenly, out of left field (literally) the fact that Wilson's wife may or may not have been a NOC, and she was mentioned in a report somewhere, which somehow kinda got to a reporter, and which might have exposed some CIA stuff, results in successfully whitewashing the entire issue and burying the facts about the attempted uranium purchase under a mountain of innuendo and allegation.
Coincidence? I think not...
Edited, Wed Apr 12 19:34:52 2006 by gbaji
