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#1 Mar 31 2006 at 9:57 PM Rating: Good
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However, at a speech in an Oakland union hall, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate sought to tie Bush to a much tougher House bill that would tighten borders and make it a crime to be in the United States illegally or to offer aid to illegal immigrants. Bush does not back the House bill.


WTF is wrong with this guy? Is he so entirely disconnected from reality that he doesn't grasp that it's already a crime if it's illegal?

For those who consistently wonder what made so many people vote for Bush twice, it's things like this. If people like this hate the man, then I want him in office. I want them to have a focus, something that holds their attention with BugZapper-like intensity because I have a dreadful fear of the impact they would have on society if they got bored and there was a pack of matches lying around.

I am prejudiced. I like Hispanics. They are mostly Catholic, generally have good work ethic, keep a good healthy looking skin tone year-round, and can be counted on to be more polite than your average anglo or afro. I wish I were a beaner, but I'm just not cut out for it; I'm too rude, lazy, and pale. I do have the dark hair, though.

As far as the issue itself goes, I'm all for relaxing immigration laws and letting the people come in but I expect the trend to be the opposite. The parties are going to get together and spend a lot of money on walls and barbed wire. Probably some dogs, too.
#2 Mar 31 2006 at 10:18 PM Rating: Good
Dean kind of lost a lot of credibility when during the primaries he wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAAR!!!



The great thing about Dean, though, is that due to his wackiness he's a predictable fount of incendiary rhetoric these days. He's kind of like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson, just bizarro. I don't think anyone really could take him serious anymore except for his target audience and the folks he's aiming to incense; people who already know where their votes lie.

As for the actual issue, it's a tricky one. Nowadays it's pretty easy to push tightening our borders as a matter of homeland security, but at the same time who wants to be on a stucco crew? Until a gardener or a hotel worker makes a reasonable wage we're obviously going to need folks to do the work for less. Guest worker visas? A fascinating idea, but myself I'd rather see fair wages that might attract a good old high school drop out.

No matter how things turn out, I have to ask, what have you got against dogs? And why do you insist on them remaining unemployed?
#3 Mar 31 2006 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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Crossing the border without authorization is a misdemeanor for the first offense and a felony for subsequent violations. Immigrants who are caught illegally trespassing U.S. territory are fingerprinted and immediately returned, unless they are a repeat offender, in which case they may be criminally prosecuted.

So it seems like it's already both illegal and criminal in all senses of the word.

Although, it doesn't say what the SOP is for "nonimmigrant overstayers," ie aliens with visas that stay past the expiration.

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Roughly 60% of the illegal alien population are undocumented aliens and 40% are nonimmigrant overstayers.



#4 Mar 31 2006 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
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As for my opinion, I think the current level of immigration enforcement seems adequate.

We don't want completely wide-open borders, but we don't want to be complete xenophobes.

I have no problem if someone has the strength, wits, and pluck to make it across the border and forge a life for themselves, which our current semi-lax enforcement allows for.

#5 Mar 31 2006 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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As for my opinion, I think the current level of immigration enforcement seems adequate.

We don't want completely wide-open borders, but we don't want to be complete xenophobes.

I have no problem if someone has the strength, wits, and pluck to make it across the border and forge a life for themselves, which our current semi-lax enforcement allows for.

The truck- or raft-loads of dead foreigners who didn't quite make it is a good enough trade-off for the handful of talented, worthwhile professionals baeball players that make it here.
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#6 Apr 01 2006 at 12:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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You do understand that something can be against the law and yet not be a crime, yes? It can be a civil offense, as opposed to a... you know... criminal offense.
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#7 Apr 01 2006 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
Yes, being an illegal alien is already a crime, but this bill makes it a straight up felony. Personally, I support it 100%. I say we round up ever illegal person here and ship back where they came from.

I know some people are going to hate me for this, and I really don't care. I'm tired of ******* illegal immigrants flocking over here to raise our crime rates, steal jobs from already nearly broke people just because the $2/hr they earn here is a fortune where they come from, and just overall being a royal ******* pain in the ***.

I'm not saying I'm against immigration at all. I fully support people who want to come over here to make a better life for themselves. But for Bob's sake, do it legally!
#8 Apr 01 2006 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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You do understand that something can be against the law and yet not be a crime, yes? It can be a civil offense, as opposed to a... you know... criminal offense.

As opposed to gbaji...who thinks that if something is a civil offense it's not illegal.


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I'm tired of fu[Aqua][/Aqua]cking illegal immigrants flocking over here to raise our crime rates
"Damn, Pedro! Crime rates in America are down! We gotta get over there and jack them crime rates back up!" Smiley: laugh
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#11 Apr 01 2006 at 2:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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I laugh because PJ phrased it as if the primary motivation of immigrants was to raise up the crime rate.
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#12 Apr 01 2006 at 7:03 AM Rating: Good
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trickybeck wrote:

Although, it doesn't say what the SOP is for "nonimmigrant overstayers," ie aliens with visas that stay past the expiration.

Attended a few sessions of Immigration Court as interpretation prep. Most folks seem to get an attorney and try to appeal the decision to remove, which also serves the purpose of also allowing them more time here.
#13 Apr 01 2006 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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I laugh because PJ phrased it as if the primary motivation of immigrants was to raise up the crime rate.

It's an enduring stereotype. Add to this the sanctuary city issue, and people feel (sometimes rightly so) that it's the driving force behind the 'spoiling' of a neighborhood or town when in truth, the United States character and social makeup have always evolved.

The crime issue can be argued both ways. Certainly there is a greater effect on the border cities, because they are recieveing the brunt of illegals who not only have social and educational barriers, but language ones at well. There's a learning curve there. But studies have shown that the recidivism rate for illegals is about 1/3 that of the general population (don't ask me to quote where I read this, it was presented to me by a teacher).

I found this paper pretty helpful. It's a charged issue. It just pains me to see when it leads to blatant stereotyping and prejudice.
#14 Apr 01 2006 at 8:51 AM Rating: Default
All over the world, especially in rich countries like USA or rich Europe(I'm from 'poor' Europe) people tend to go to the right 'couse of immigrant issue. Bad immigrants are taking jobs, rising crime etc... But wait! Those rich countries have gotten SO rich by exploiting poor countries these immigrants are from. EU gives insane money to EU farmers so they(farmers) place their products in '3' world countries and they cost cheaper than native's. Just look what's USA been doing in the last 50 years..GOD

Don't complain 'bout immigrants. They come to the countries which made them poor. Rich countries MUST face the truth--the exploiters will become exploited.
#15 Apr 01 2006 at 9:12 AM Rating: Decent
I heard one point of view expressed at work last week regarding this subject. It went something like this..I'll paraphrase and try to keep it short and sweet. The guy against the softened legislation argued that it is no different than him showing up at the home of the guy who was in favor of the changes and moving in unannounced, helping himself to the food in the fridge, taking money from the guy's bank account, bringing his family over to use the washer & dryer, sending the guy's money to his friends and family in his home town, etc, etc.

While I live in an area populated by many immigrants, having Latino friends and co-workers, I do agree with the guy against the softened immigration legislation. I do not however want to see the current laws made harsher. The ability to enforce the laws in place might well be impossible, that does not mean that we should condone illegal behavior. This is not an issue that has any easy solutions. We ought to keep our heads but also listen to our hearts in this. No one should hold it against anyone wishing to do better for their families. But the cost to the people footing the bill should also be taken into account.


As I see it, BOTH the Democrats AND the Republicans are viewing this in one way...future voters and how to pander to this block of voters to get their support. Both sides are putting the needs of their country far behind their wish to stay in office.



Edited, Sat Apr 1 09:18:57 2006 by Mellina
#16 Apr 01 2006 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
I recall about a little less than a month ago we had some pretty good snow here in Colorado Springs and the interstate which runs through town was a sloppy mess. The news reported that over thirty illegals were arrested after having their panel vans slide off the road due to lack of experienced snow drivers.

The video feed showed handcuffed illegals being escorted from one van to another, trying to catch snowflakes on their tongues.

That's fuc[red][/red]king adorable; I say let 'em stay.
#17 Apr 01 2006 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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The video feed showed handcuffed illegals being escorted from one van to another, trying to catch snowflakes on their tongues.
Ahh, they haven't yet learned of our good old American acid rain.
#18 Apr 01 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I recall about a little less than a month ago we had some pretty good snow here in Colorado Springs and the interstate which runs through town was a sloppy mess. The news reported that over thirty illegals were arrested after having their panel vans slide off the road due to lack of experienced snow drivers.


Just as a question, were they headed south on I-25 to Pueblo? Lastly, did the van have Californian tags? If so, the irony would be too funny. Smiley: lol
#19 Apr 01 2006 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
If I recall correctly they were sporting Texas tags and heading north on I-25 over Monument Hill when the wrecks took place. It seems the demand for brown skinned folks is greater the further north one travels, and thus the profitability of people moving is increased.
#20 Apr 01 2006 at 8:48 PM Rating: Default
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I am prejudiced. I like Hispanics. They are mostly Catholic, generally have good work ethic, keep a good healthy looking skin tone year-round, and can be counted on to be more polite than your average anglo or afro.


29 percent of all felons in federal prisons are illegal immigrants. Some teachers in the schools in San Diego county speak Spanish to their students as the default language, English has to be requested.

Was anyone watching the news the past couple of days? Did you see the students using Bush's speech as an excuse to get out of class? I really don't like seeing the Mexican flag waved around in towns near the border. This is America, not Mexico. If you want to come here, take a number and get in line. The majority of people in hospitals in San Diego are hispanics. Why? Because they get free healthcare on the rest of the taxpayers' dime. If I, a white male from a decent family, walk into a hospital for immediate care, they will ask me immediately for my health insurance card before saying a word to me. A mexican obviously poverty stricken can walk in and get a free pass to the best healthcare the hospital has to offer, no questions asked.

As far as my experience with the majority of mexican young males, they are a horny dirty bunch. They harass young girls, making it dangerous to travel alone at night (or broad daylight for that matter) on the street, even in a nice neighborhood like mine. Once my sister was walking to a friends house only two miles away, and a POS truck packed with mexicans kept following her around trying to get her to come in the car with them and go home with them. They threatened to force her into the car, and my sister had to run away from them and bang on the door of a house of a person she did not know so she could hide inside.

3 girls I know just had a rapist that was prowling around break into their house in the middle of the night and stand outside just listening through their doors while they were all sleeping trying to make his move. He was standing in the hallway for a good amount of time, before one of the girls went to the bathroom and stumbled on him. They are afraid to be alone in their house now by themselves.

A good friend of mine was abducted by two mexicans that had just recently crossed the border and she was raped, beaten, and left for dead near her home.

All these are fine examples of the so called, "noble workers" that are just trying to make some money for the good old family back home. I have more stories about what has occured just in my home town. I understand that some of them are here to make a good living. Like I said, if you want to come to this country, take a number and get in line.
#21 Apr 01 2006 at 11:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I, a white male from a decent family, walk into a hospital for immediate care, they will ask me immediately for my health insurance card before saying a word to me. A mexican obviously poverty stricken can walk in and get a free pass to the best healthcare the hospital has to offer, no questions asked.
Any patient needing immediate, life-saving medical care will receive it ASAP without bias towards ability to pay. Such is the law and you might appreciate it someday if you're unconscious, left your wallet at home and don't get dumped on the corner for not having your Humana PPO card handy.

For non-immediate care, you wind up getting what you pay for and you, a white male from a decent family, are more than welcome to wait sixteen hours at County Hospital to have your broken ankle looked at if such a thing pleases you.
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#22 Apr 02 2006 at 6:02 AM Rating: Default
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As far as my experience with the majority of mexican young males, they are a horny dirty bunch.

Young males being horny, unheard of.
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A good friend of mine was abducted by two mexicans that had just recently crossed the border and she was raped, beaten, and left for dead near her home.

It's not like White people ever commit sexual crimes...
#23 Apr 02 2006 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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I wish I could rape like a Mexican.
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