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#27 Mar 23 2006 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
I honestly dont know where I stand on the topic of religion. Mr.Katie was raised Roman Catholic but he's not to crazy about it. I wasnt raised either way. We never attended church. Personally I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than deal with the bible thumping idgets from around here. So I dont know what I believe really.
#28 Mar 23 2006 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Talk to me when you come back from the dead and let me know the way of things. Until then, don't assume you know, and don't assume that your Will to Feel Like Jesus's Star Pupil (or The Voice of Reason) surpasses someone's Right to Free Will.

Jesus came back from the dead, didn't he? And He told everyone the Truth, as described in the Gospels of the New Testament.

You said you're a Catholic, right?
#29 Mar 23 2006 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
Bible written YEARS after the fact. Who knows if any of it is true.
#30 Mar 23 2006 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Katie wrote:
Personally I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than deal with the bible thumping idgets from around here.


You should see these folks in Boston, always hanging out at every street corner. They are truly brutal with their "Jesus Saves" and "Repent or DIE" signs. If they are handing out religious pamphlets to folks passing by and you do not take one they will scream, "Sinner" at the top of their lungs. How can these people be spreading the word of God?

Boston is a huge Roman Catholic city, even after the whole clergy sex abuse scandal.
#31 Mar 23 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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My best brainwashing story would have to come from the Southern Baptists. As a teenager I had been invited to a sleep-over event that was taking place on a Friday night at a local church. Or rather, my girlfriend had been invited, and wanted me to come along despite me being desperately irreligious. I went along to see what it was like.

All the kids were hanging out, playing games, having a pretty good time. They had a scavenger hunt scheduled which took us all over town. We came back and they had pizza delivered - cool deal. My girlfriend and I, not knowing our place, had wound up at the end of the line. With a bit of mysticism (`Jesus said "the first become last so shall the last become first"`) they put us at the head of the line - a kind gesture designed to win the affection of the new kids?

Everybody chows down on pizza and there is an unlimited amount of soda, candy, pixie stix and other sugary products to consume. Kids start getting wired in a huge way. We get to ~1am and the folks organizing invite everybody to a room on the 2nd floor for a movie.

As we come in, they shut and lock the doors behind us. Lights are turned down. Now you've got a huge room full of extremely wired kids, sitting in the dark, focused on the only source of entertainment around: the television.


They show us a Rapture movie.


The film opens up with a young, handsome man who loves Jesus with all his heart. He feels that today is the day of the Rapture, and he tells his family so. Lo, his family does not believe him and they scoff at this notion.

The only person who listens is his youngest brother - a 6 year old kid. He believes, too, and he loves his older brother very much.

They spend the film trying to convince friends and loved ones to repent and take Jesus into their hearts. After forty minutes of this, the young man and his kid brother go down to an airport to board the plane that takes them to heaven. (They needed to have some way to "go away", symbolic of the departure of the faithful during rapture.) Long, tearful scene where the family shows up and tells them not to go, but they reply they must because they love Jesus.

And the next day, rapture hits, people everywhere disappear, and the remaining family members acknowledge that they are damned, yea, verily. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Welcome to the end of days.


The lights come on and kids are crying their eyes out. No surprise; you take a bunch of kids hopped up on sugar and make them watch a film about the apocalypse, where half the main character's family winds up not going to Heaven - it's a perfect recipe.

And in this moment of sorrow and anguish, here come the elders, wanting to talk about how important Jesus is and why you need to take him into your heart. And why it's so important to make sure your brothers, sisters, parents, and grandparents all do too. After all, you don't want to wind up like that family in the movie, right?


Next came a question and answer session, where kids asked things like "will my family really go to hell if they don't all love jesus?". You can guess how this goes.

They wrapped up with a challenge/response ploy, with the organizers asking questions like "Who is the LORD?" and kids screaming back ``JESUS!`` "Who do you love with all your heart?" ``JESUS!``


The kids are generally left alone after that to talk amongst themselves and to unwind from the sugar high.


It's probably been ten years since this sleep-over thing, but I can still remember the details clearly. I can only imagine the impression it made on the others.
#32 Mar 23 2006 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Talk to me when you come back from the dead and let me know the way of things. Until then, don't assume you know, and don't assume that your Will to Feel Like Jesus's Star Pupil (or The Voice of Reason) surpasses someone's Right to Free Will.

Jesus came back from the dead, didn't he? And He told everyone the Truth, as described in the Gospels of the New Testament.

You said you're a Catholic, right?

*sigh*

Did you decide to go back and re-read my posts, and hit every aspect of organized religion that bothers me in one post?

What do you need me to prove your beliefs for? If you believe, that should be enough for you. Don't question my faith, which has nothing to do with anyone but me.
#33 Mar 23 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Katie wrote:
Bible written YEARS after the fact. Who knows if any of it is true.



I was watching a show the other day, nothing interesting in that, however the guy being interviewed on the show was interesting.


Basically when he was a teen he became an evangelical christian. So much so that when it came time for college he studied Ancient Greek so he could specialize in the bible (cause of course the earliest manuscripts of the bible are in greek). Along the way he started noticing inconsistencies in the Bible over time. So he started studying that.

He found that certain famous biblical stories like "Ye who are without sin cast the first stone" actually were added to the bible hundreds of years after the fact and didn't appear in earlier bibles.

Didnt shake the guys faith in christ or make him entirely disregard the Bible. He just realized that it was a living document that has changed and evolved over time but that doesnt ruin the over all message of it for him.

Cool stuff.
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#34 Mar 23 2006 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Talk to me when you come back from the dead and let me know the way of things. Until then, don't assume you know, and don't assume that your Will to Feel Like Jesus's Star Pupil (or The Voice of Reason) surpasses someone's Right to Free Will.

Jesus came back from the dead, didn't he? And He told everyone the Truth, as described in the Gospels of the New Testament.

You said you're a Catholic, right?

*sigh*

Did you decide to go back and re-read my posts, and hit every aspect of organized religion that bothers me in one post?

What do you need me to prove your beliefs for? If you believe, that should be enough for you. Don't question my faith, which has nothing to do with anyone but me.

Oh, I personally don't believe anything. I just like to argue on the internet instead of do what I'm paid to do.




i need help..
#35 Mar 23 2006 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Deuteronomy Chapter 4 wrote:
1: "And now, O Israel, give heed to the statutes and the ordinances which I teach you, and do them; that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, gives you.
2: You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.




I love this quote from the bible. How many added rules to the Ten Commandments do you think Christians have?
#36 Mar 24 2006 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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***** that. American Gods by Neil Gaiman. They're in your living room.

Seconded. Last really great book I read.
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