Charges dropped in teacher sex scandalFollow

My "under AoC daughter" remark was flippant anyway so I'm not too worried about defending any double standards it may imply

I could not agree more. Someone in a position of authority should never engage in a sexual relationship with a student.

Mentalfrog, you asked when when I think it would be ok. Put yourself in the shoes of a 16 yr old boy in the 10th grade. Your girlfriend is 15 (and will be 16 soon) and also in the 10th grade. You are sexually active with her and her parents find out. They press charges against you and a judge sentences you to 6 months in juvi hall. Do you think that is right? Now, the 16 yr old boy loses six months of his life, must register as a sex offender and is labeled for life. How many people at the age of 16 really knew about the age of consent laws. I didn't...

BTW, please stop rating me down, I thought this was a civil conversation. I acted like an ahole on a previous thread and deserved it. Now, I am trying to be civil.




Edited, Fri Mar 24 15:33:10 2006 by shadomen

Don't you remember the wig I slapped on your head?

I think most of you are straying from the point I was trying to make (or something.) Allow me to attempt to steer back in the right direction:
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Oh, wow, man, I said Wait a second, man
What do you think the teacher's gonna look like this year?
F[Aliceblue][/Aliceblue]uck man!

Uh! Oh yeah!

T-T-teacher stop that screamin'
Teacher don't you see?
Don't wanna be no uptown fool
Maybe I should go to hell
But I am doing well
Teacher needs to see me after school

I think of all the education that I've missed
But then my homework was never quite like this!

Ow! Got it bad, Got it bad, Got it bad, I'm hot for teacher! I've got it bad, so bad I'm hot for teacher!

Hey, I heard you missed us
We're back! (Hey!)
I brought my pencil
Give me something to write on, man!
Whoa Uh! Ooo-oo-ooo

I heard about your lessons
but lessons are so cold
I didn't know about this school
Little girl from Cherry Lawn
How can you be so bold?
How did you know that golden rule?

I think of all the education that I've missed
But then my homework was never quite like this!

Whoa! Got it bad, Got it bad, Got it bad, I'm hot for teacher! I've got it bad, so bad I'm hot for teacher!

Whoa! (Guitar Solo)

Oh man, I think the clock is slow
(What are you doin' this weekend?) I don't feel tardy
Class dismissed! Ooh-yeah!

I've got it bad, Got it bad, Got it bad, I'm hot for teacher!
I've got it bad, Got it bad, Got it bad, I'm hot for teacher!

Whoa! Oh! Ooh, yes I'm hot Wow!
Whoa! Oh! Ooh, yes I'm hot Wow!
Oh my God! Woo!

You should have made it a couple years ago when this was news

Ms. Geisel is not only more attractive in my eyes but apparently lets you come over with your buddy and switch off on her.

Edit: Even better, when your friend calls, she comes over to you and lets you take turns. h4wt

And she's a Catholic school teacher, so there's that to consider as well.

Edited, Fri Mar 24 16:32:16 2006 by Jophiel

They are the same. I know what you're trying to say though. But there needs to be punishments for breaking the laws.

Personally I think they should set the same age of consent for both sexes and have a 2 year leeway between consenting individuals. If the age of consent is 16 they could date a 14 year old and vice versa.

I also think parents need to talk to their kids about age of consent laws when they talk to them about sex. I think if kids were more informed things like this wouldn't happen as much.

Edited, Fri Mar 24 16:37:27 2006 by MentalFrog

Yeah, Geisel is in the nymphomanic, biological-clock-final-alarm 40's. Score!!

Yup.

It's been a decade since high school, but I couldn't remember any from back then that gave out condoms instead of teaching a celibacy program. All the high schools I attended (four of them) taught celibacy as the 100% fool-proof way to avoid pregnancy, then also covered common birth control methods, failure rates, STDs, all the other usual stuff.

True, I posted before I read the transcripts.

~Blix

Oy, I had hoped you'd understand; yet obviously you do not.

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So, you think that having sex with a child is acceptable? 13 yrs old are nowhere near ready to accept the responsibility of a child if she where to get pregnant. 2 kids that are both between the ages of 14-17 having sex is a different story. Parents need to educate their children on safe sex, and talk to them about the possibility of them having kids because they chose to have sex.
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Why is it different for 14-17 with a 14-17 year old? Are they less likely to have children than a 40 year old and a 14 year old? Tell me they are, do it, tell me.

Two 14-17 year olds having sex is just as likely, possibly more due to less experience on average, of becoming pregnant.

If they WERE to have a child then one of them is even experienced and capable of taking care of the child, most likely.

I don't know where you live, but 99.9% of 14-17 year olds know that you can have children by having sex, by the way.

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I am talking about Adults, that is just common sense. Social stigmas? What! So you wouldn’t care about your 14 yr old daughter having sex with a grown man? Just because biologically a girl can have babies around the age of 10-12, does not mean that they are ready to have sex. Sex is an emotional thing to get into. Adults should not have sex with CHILDREN point blank.
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I would care, only because in today’s world that, usually, won’t be a good thing in any way. Again, 200 years ago I probably would’ve been the one having set it up! It’s about how society is at the time.

I could retort with the same thing as you moved towards my point.

When a girl is biologically ready to have babies around the age of 10-12, she quite possibly can be ready to have a sex and a child.

You see it depends on the individual. Some woman could easily take care of a baby at 14, as they did years ago mind you. Girls today could even do it, ever heard of a babysitter?

14-17 year olds quite possibly may be emotionally ready for sex.



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She was his teacher, and she was 25 yrs. old. Double standards are wrong, that is the main reason why, some girls get wild as hell when they leave their parents house. Because their mother/father didn’t let them do anything, but let their son date sooner or Dads praising their son for getting laid.
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I’m only going to tell you to think about why this is a double standard.

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In no situation should an Adult man or woman have sex with a child. So what you are saying does not make any sense. Just because a man can most likely over power a woman, means that a man/boy can't be raped or physically molested? He was a willing sex partner, but he is a child, she was an Adult. SHE is supposed to know better, besides the fact that there are laws against having sex with minors. This case had has nothing to do with a teenage couple having sex with each other. [b]This is about Adults having sex with kids; it is never in anyway acceptable.
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Why shouldn’t they? You do realize in many countries besides America this is a completely acceptable practice, don’t you?

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Take note that I use words like usually, probably and more than likely et cetera throughout my post. This means 99% of the time, not always.

I am not saying release every man who was put into jail for having sex with a teenager here either, exactly. I don’t find the fact, however, that you are saying it’s wrong, no questions asked.

Ok now I have another thing to point out. An adult is legally 18, correct? What if, per say, a guy’s girlfriend is 17-years old and he just turned 18. He is legally an adult, while she is still a child, legally. They have sex. This act is illegal, right?

It’s about the individual, not their age.

C

~Blix

Of course either parties are at risk for pregnancy. The big difference is an Adult should NOT be having sex with a minor there is no discussion about that.

Thats why there is a difference between Adults and children. It's not that hard to understand.



We aren't taliking about other countries, we are talking about America.



An 18 yr old is still a teenager, even though they are legally an adult. Just because a person turns 18 doesn't magically make them mature. She was 25 and he was 15! You don't see the problem there?. Besides him being a child, that is a 10 yr. difference, she was his teacher. He is at an age were an Adults influence can affect him greater than if he was the same age as her. If it's not about their age, then why do people get arrested for child molestation?. If it was about the person, all a 10 yr would have to say is "But I'm grown up!" and they wouldn't prosecute anyone. If it wasn't about their age any Adult could have sex with a child regardless of age without worrying about jail time.

An 18 yr old has a 1 yr difference on a 17 yr. old, so if the parents of that 17 yr. old wanted to press charges, as stupid as it is they could probably try.

Yes, there are teens that can take care of themselves and are very mature at their age. But, you have to have laws like the ones we have, because everyone that is underage is most times are not mature enough to make the correct decisions, so there have to be laws to protect them from "child predators" that seek out children they can influence. That's why it is called growing up. I don't think the same I did when I was 14, just like when I'm 35, I will have gained some life experience and think differently about some things then the age I am now.

Of course some people never grow up, because they choose not to.



omg, that is crazy! I can't believe you would even let that enter your mind. A 14 yr. old, seriously?. The point is a 14 yr. old is not a woman she is a child, a little girl. Even if the 14yr old's parents are millionare's it would be stupid of her to have a baby. Who pay's the bills? Her parentsWho buys her clothes, shoes, provides her essential needs?. Her parents.
Easy to take care of a baby? You must not have any children, cause any one that has raised a child or takes care of their child would not say anything like that.

I'm about to be 22yrs old, and it is hard to take care of child. They need you 24/7/365 for the rest of your life if you want to be a good/loving parent. A babysitter? Yeah, right it's just that easy to take care of a child. You have a child of your own and get back to me on that. A 14yr old is a child herself, to say different is ridiculous. It take money and time, what 14 yrs old make enough money to take care of a baby, or has the life experience..none.

If a 14yr old was to get pregnant and keep the baby, it will be hard as hell even if she has her family there. If she does not it will be even harder, god forbid the baby's father is absent that adds on to it. She hasn't even experienced her life yet, she is a child. There is a reason why people wait to have kids. There is a reason why they call it "kids having kids", which describes teenagers having their own babies.