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#27 Nov 07 2005 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now who's sounding like redneck trailer trash? Smiley: laugh
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#28 Nov 07 2005 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Now I just keep pet rocks in the aquarium. Those don't seem to mind the bubble wrap.


Real nice, until your rocks crush some kid to death, maybe we should all own rocks, hell lets just let rocks roll wild down the streets, it's the American way right. WTF is wrong with you baby killer. Smiley: mad


Why do you hate rock and roll Xy? Smiley: frown



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#29 Nov 07 2005 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, certain breeds were originally created and bred specifically for the purpose of violence and aggression. Pit Bulls, Mastifs, Dobermans, German Shepherds, Great Pyrenees, Rottwieler, etc.. have traits in them that make it more inherent in their behavior to attack. Similar to the instinctual behavior of those of the Pointer breeds when they spot wild fowl, attack/protection/guard breeds(mostly of the Working class of dogs as per the AKC) find it more natural to respond to certain stimuli in a fashion in line with their breeding.

Of course, breed is only responsible for a dogs natural abilities. Training is needed to refine or reduce the dogs urge to react in such a manner. Training a German Shepard to sic vs. training a Poodle to sic would show the propensity of the former to this sort of work despite the latter's superior intelligence.

Breeding techniques also will play into a dog's behavior. Inbreeding and careless breeding often times lead to the development of mental and behavioral disorders in certain breeds, specifically those popular as guarding/attack dogs. Too often those in search of such dogs won't be going to reputable breeders.

Another overlooked point is the care and feeding of dogs. Many often assume that aggression in dogs always comes from either breed or specific training to influence the dogs to behave in a particular way. Often times, be it from neglect or ignorance of the owner, dogs will revert to a more feral state if not handled properly. Keeping dogs chained, lack of food or improper diet, letting "Pack Mentality" behavior go unchecked if the owner has several dogs, allowing the dog mental victories over the owner, overdefining territory, physical abuse, and a failure to socialise a dog with other people and other dogs can all lead to unacceptable responses that result in human/dog injuries and deaths.
#30 Nov 07 2005 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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letting "Pack Mentality" behavior go unchecked if the owner has several dogs


That is a really good point Jacob, and one that is far overlooked by many households.

My wife and I own 3 greyhounds (highly pack sensitive) and they have an order. We also foster 1 or 2 greyhounds at a time.

I do let their order stay, but if the alpha dog gets out of hand, she is scolded. It's important for the pack that they establish order (by barking, growling, or humping!!), but it is also important to establish yourself as the alpha of alphas (not by humping) so that even the big dog knows where it stands.

It's also important that if you have a pack, think about muzzling them when outside. Not only will it protect other people, but it will protect the dogs themselves. Muzzles are much cheaper than vet bills.



#31 Nov 07 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I do let their order stay, but if the alpha dog gets out of hand, she is scolded. It's important for the pack that they establish order (by barking, growling, or humping!!), but it is also important to establish yourself as the alpha of alphas (not by humping) so that even the big dog knows where it stands.


How many times did you try this before you realized it was not going to be effective? Smiley: dubious
#32 Nov 07 2005 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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well, techincally 1. The other three were just for "more data".

just kidding, that's gross. No one wants to be a dog humper.

Edited, Mon Nov 7 12:16:05 2005 by Frakkor
#33 Nov 07 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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just kidding, that's gross. No one wants to be a dog humper.


I've seen video that would refute that testimony.

As to you, Mr. Yankee:

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Now who's sounding like redneck trailer trash?


If not wanting my rights infringed upon makes me redneck trash, I'll be redneck trash. But I refuse to live in a trailer, nuh huh, ain't gonna do it. No way. And you can't make me.
#34 Nov 07 2005 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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just kidding, that's gross. No one wants to be a dog humper.
Less work to be the humpee?
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#35 Nov 07 2005 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
like i didn't see the dog humping jokes coming...Smiley: rolleyes
#36 Nov 07 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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re Rottweilers; used to own a mini-rott, weird purebreed strain that only grows to about knee-high, 65-80lbs or so. Parents named her `Beast` for the hell of it. We used to bring Beast treats from the local butcher shop after weekend shopping - a cow femur chew toy, say.

I have clear memories of cute little beast gnawing gently upon the bone, then absently taking it in her jaws and snapping it clear in half to get at the marrow. I'd expect that kind of behavior from a full grown rottweiler (cousin of mine owns two, both in the 150lb range). It's disturbing coming from your knee-high childhood friend.

The jaw strength on rotties and pitbulls is immense.


re Pitbulls; neighbor in Florida had 50 head of cattle, and also owned a pitbull, named Happy. That dog had serious attitude issues. He went where he pleased. Our neighbor had him trained for a weird bit of yard service, too; he's the only dog I've ever seen that could bring down a full grown bull. Our neighbor would send the dog out if he couldn't get a rope around the bull's nose ring.

Hear me - I'm talking about dog weighing less than 100lbs bringing a 1,500lb animal to the ground. On command, Happy would charge the bull, jump into the air and seize it's nose ring in his teeth. Happy would then thrash around like mad. This is incredibly painful for the bull.

Kind of amazing to watch.
#37 Nov 07 2005 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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re Pitbulls; neighbor in Florida had 50 head of cattle, and also owned a pitbull, named Happy. That dog had serious attitude issues. He went where he pleased. Our neighbor had him trained for a weird bit of yard service, too; he's the only dog I've ever seen that could bring down a full grown bull. Our neighbor would send the dog out if he couldn't get a rope around the bull's nose ring.

Hear me - I'm talking about dog weighing less than 100lbs bringing a 1,500lb animal to the ground. On command, Happy would charge the bull, jump into the air and seize it's nose ring in his teeth. Happy would then thrash around like mad. This is incredibly painful for the bull.

Kind of amazing to watch.


I've seen Border Collies trained to do this as well. It's not as big of a deal as it sounds.
#38 Nov 07 2005 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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How about vampire Pomeranians? Should those be restricted?

Good Lord, that movie was disappointing
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#39 Nov 07 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
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And we've all heard the weiner dog stories.................
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#40 Nov 07 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Default
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Do most of the attacks occur because of the breed of dog (some kind of genetic marker for violence), or is it because that's the breed that people train to attack?


I used to show dogs for many years and I worked with Military working dogs. There is a preferance for breed when it comes to aggressiveness & taking commands. Right now the preferred breed for the military is the Malanois, which looks like a short haired German Shepard, they are high strung & pretty vicious. One bit a friend in her boob as she was cleaning its kennel simply because it could.(she got 6 stiches)

I have met some very sweet Pitbulls, it all depends on breeding & rearing. If the parents are a bit nutso, the puppy will be as well. I have noticed that the breed doesn't fair well with pets smaller than itself (Cats, rodents etc)

Any breed can become mean. In my husbands hometown a St Bernard bit a childs face off while it was locked in the car with the child while the mother was shopping.

When I worked at the animal shelter we had some pretty strict adoption standards(3 day wait, renters couldnt adopt, college students couldnt adopt & a background check) , some idiots still slipped by. One person adopted this gorgeous Peke (he was really sweet) they brought him back because he bit their son (because the son had BIT the dogs ear - the son was 8)

We can blame it on the dogs but the responsability should be on the owners and breeders. so many breeders breed dogs for money as opposed to breeding for the best quality pet which then floods the market with defective dogs.

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And we've all heard the weiner dog stories.................
What? That they don't potty train quickly if ever?Cute as a button but they have issues with housebreaking

Edited, Mon Nov 7 14:59:34 2005 by niobia
#41 Nov 07 2005 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alternatively, you could make felons get the foofy little pocket dogs.

That'll teach those felons to go acting all tough. Sic 'em, Fifi!
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#42 Nov 07 2005 at 2:41 PM Rating: Default
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Alternatively, you could make felons get the foofy little pocket dogs.

That'll teach those felons to go acting all tough. Sic 'em, Fifi!


"The Contra Costa County board of supervisors unanimously supported on Tuesday prohibiting convicted felons from owning any dog that is aggressive or weighs more than 20 pounds, making it all but certain the proposal will become law when it formally comes before the board for approval Nov. 15. "

Just what they need, a pack of yappy ankle biters.
***From what I remember miniature pinchers arn't a very nice small breed.

Wasn't there a program where felons were raising seeing eye dogs?

Edited, Mon Nov 7 15:02:26 2005 by niobia
#43 Nov 08 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
In st. johns where i live people have been trying to ban pitbulls for a while now. Im not sure if they have or not but this was brought on by a few attacks on smaller children. Now i dont no if the kids were provoking the dogs or if they just happened to be mean or the dogs could have been mistreated which would explain why they are so aggressive. In my opinion however these dogs should not be banned because i know people who own pitbulls and they are great dogs, or can be anyway i havent seen any mean ones. for example a guy who works with my uncle owns a pitbull and the only thing thats in danger around pete(the dog) is your lunch (he has been known to grab at unattended food). But trying to ban a breed of dog is a little ridiculous i mean what will be done about people who own pitbulls? will they be forced to move away or to kill their beloved housepet?

Edited, Tue Nov 8 15:02:57 2005 by randomWOWplayer
#44 Nov 08 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
I have a pitbull. I love my dog and I'd shoot someone over her too. We've raised her from pup to be very sociable with other dogs large and small, as well as friendly to people. Very intelligent brindle. I joke that she's a cat in a dogs body the way she walks and climbs trees.
#45 Nov 08 2005 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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Any dog can go ape-sh[/i]it (Katie's a fine example), but those bred to rip stuff to bits are more likely.

I was brought up with working dogs but know that any of 'em can turn vicious.

The up-side is the white-trash eejits on the local news. They're usually filmed cradling a heavily bandaged 3 year old child, standing beside "Tyson"'s grave whimpering "But he was soft as a bottle of Pop"

The part where I fall to the floor in laughter is when they [i]Always
say those words "He loved Kids"

And I think "Yep. Raw, broiled or fried"
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#46REDACTED, Posted: Nov 08 2005 at 4:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I own a pit, sheppard, and bassett hound. Each dog has been trained to never put a tooth on any human; and no you don't beat your dog in order to train it. Regardless I'm absolutely paranoid about letting her, the pit, around anyone she's not familiar with. She never leaves the house w/o being on a leash and the house is never left open for her to just run in and out. She has however snuck out before; i.e. jumping out an open window. What she does is try and sneak out with the hound and go hunting in a large forest near the house. While that's only happened a couple of times I was extremely aware of horror stories like the one here. I guess it's up to each person to assume the liability of what damage their pet could do. As much as I adore the pit if she were to turn on me or one of my neighbors i'd have to put a bullet in her head, god forbid.
#47 Nov 08 2005 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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I am a fu[i][/i]cktard who has a lower IQ than my pets
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#48 Nov 08 2005 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
Potty,

Thank you for that intelligent and insightful retort. What wit, what wisdom, oh to be like potty.

Achileez
#49 Nov 08 2005 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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#50 Nov 08 2005 at 9:47 PM Rating: Good
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Regardless of breed or common disposition, responsibility should rest soley with the owners. You want 28 pit bulls, go ahead. Those pit bulls kill a kid, guess what; you go to jail for 2nd degree murder or negligent homicide.


I see, so we should allow people to keep being brutually slaughtered as long as those responsible are severely punished?
#51 Nov 10 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
you know whats funny? not insulting anybodies intellect or anything but a "pit bull" is not a single breed, it's a American Pit Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier, American Stafforshire Terrier, and any mix that even looks like a fighting dog. Also although i believe the breed your talking about is the American Pit Bull Terrier, this breed was never meant to be a guard dog and usually arent very good because they were bred to be human-friendly just not dog friendly which are very different. The reason for this is because if a pit bull attacked the owner in the fighting pit it would be a liability. But of course all dogs are different..also Dr. Brisbin of Georgia states that different dog strenghth in breeds is not different...every canine possess a jaw strenghth of 350 psi..so these dog were either called pit bulls because of media hype or mistaken..also the American Pit Bull Terrier scored a 83.9% on the ATTS(American Temperament Testing Society) this is higher than Labs, Beagles, Cockerspaniels, and Golden Retrievers...these dogs were likely abused, unsocialized, or un-trained..also who the hell leaves there damn kid alone with a big dog anyways..thats just asking to be a doggy statistic..
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