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#1 Jun 16 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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Rumsfeld ordered prisoner held off the books

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Pentagon officials tell NBC News that late last year, at the same time U.S. military police were allegedly abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ordered that one Iraqi prisoner be held “off the books” — hidden entirely from the International Red Cross and anyone else — in possible violation of international law.


I do this largely to entertain myself, the faster gabji and company implode from self contradictions the better, but I also do it for their education. After all you just know they would skim the headline, consider it more liberal media hype and move on unless someone shoves it in their face.

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#2 Jun 16 2004 at 7:23 PM Rating: Excellent
Since the story is just being released today it will be interesting to see how things develop. Right now it appears that the illegal act was moving the detainee out of Iraq. If that is the case and they brought him back, it's a slap on the back of the hand. Now if the Geneva Convention dictates how long a person can be detained without informing the IRC then a determination of more wrong doing can be made.

Now since you did not supply much of an opinion on the matter Git, WHAT IS your assessment?

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#3 Jun 16 2004 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Either way , you KNOW nothing is going to become of it.

I'm sure if they DIDN'T have some excuse cooked up, they never would have let this info... "slip".

It's just more propaganda to make it look like they're being a good wittle government.





...and no I didn't read it either, shut up, I'm right.[/Blue]

Edited, Wed Jun 16 20:29:42 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#4 Jun 16 2004 at 8:17 PM Rating: Good
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Curious: Do you all huddle around the computer laughing at how Stok puts dem damn liberals in der place? If you did you would likely be driving away those horrid liberal clientel.

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#5 Jun 16 2004 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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/shrug

Again. Let's wait and see what the facts are before leaping to conclusions. But let's review a bit here:

First. What does this have to do with the abuse of prisoners in Iraq? Other then to make a connection between the two events in the readers minds that is? This is clear "slant" intended to imply that since Rumsfeld did one thing that "may" not be legal, maybe he's really behind all that other illegal stuff too?

Blatantly obvious, of course, but most people will fall for it.


Second: Um... "one" prisoner detained in this way. And it "may" be illegal. Ok. This may seem obvious, but the fact that it only "may" be illegal sorta implies that depending on the specifics of the situation, it "may not" be illegal. Given that we're talking about one prisoner here, I'd lay pretty good odds that he met those conditions.


We've already had the big discussion about the Geneva Conventions, and gone over the issue's about who can and can't be held with no communication with the outside world (spys and sabateurs in case you don't recall). Anyone taking any bets this guy falls under that catagory?


Let me rephrase the story a bit:

There's a set of conditions underwhich a prisoner may be legally held without notifying the Red Cross or any other intenational organization. We found evidence that one person was held in just such a state. Instead of finding out whether this guy was correctly identified and classified under that part of the Geneva Convention, we're going to just report about him being held without contact and say that this "may" be illegal. All of this is horrible journalism, and we know this, but we're more interested in riling up the public then actually reporting the news.

Sigh...
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#6 Jun 16 2004 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Nah, the liberals get a laugh at your antics as well.

Edited, Wed Jun 16 21:43:52 2004 by Stok
#7 Jun 16 2004 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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This is clear "slant" intended to imply that since Rumsfeld did one thing that "may" not be legal, maybe he's really behind all that other illegal stuff too?


Lawyers use this trick in trials a lot too.


#8 Jun 16 2004 at 9:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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This is clear "slant" intended to imply that since Rumsfeld did one thing that "may" not be legal, maybe he's really behind all that other illegal stuff too?


Lawyers use this trick in trials a lot too.


Which is why we have a jury to decide the guilt or innocence of the accused *first* instead of assuming guilt based on the rhetoric used in accusing him. It's also why we allow both sides to present their arguments before said decision is reached.

See the parallel here? I'm just saying we should wait until all the facts are presented before rushing to judgement.
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