9/11 panel: No al Qaeda cooperation with IraqFollow

9/11 panel: No al Qaeda cooperation with Iraq



...but wait the commission must be biased, right ghbaji, Stok?

Hmmm, and the whole story is...



Draw your own conclusions. ;)



Edited, Wed Jun 16 14:18:28 2004 by Stok

WTF are you talking about? This a direct quote from the article, no biased cut and paste of the actual text like you did.

You provided the entire link but didn't read the whole article.

Oh well. Thanks for playing the game.

No not really compelling at all.

It's been a slow day around the forum, stir some more **** up will ya?

I've been busy at the store and it's quiet now.


Edited, Wed Jun 16 15:15:58 2004 by Stok

I guess I missed the point, care to be a little more blunt?

And the commission was biased didn't you read any of the transcripts during the inquisition against Connie Rice?

dat easy 'nuff for ya hoss or you do you need me to draw pie charts and ****?

came with the great big **** burrito you are stuffing into your face.

Yup. You're more or less correct (silliness of Git accusing Stock of cutting and pasting aside).

This is the 9/11 commision. They are specifically looking for information about 9/11, not whether the war in Iraq is justified, or whether Iraq did have connections to terrorism, or to what degree Iraq did have connections to Al-queda. They're only interest was in determining if Iraq was involved in 9/11.

Well. No one said that Iraq was involved in 9/11, so I don't see where the problem is. The only contradiction here is between the facts and the strawman argument dreamed up by the Dems.

Look, it's not a strawman when Cheney keeps repeadetly stating there was a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden without citing any evidence. The guy is the VICE PRESIDENT in case people had forgotten. Attacking things he says that are patently false is more than fair game, and not at all a strawman.

A strawman would be making the argument that was supposed to solve all our oil problems, but instead the price of gas went up!!!

True, Condi Rice's grandstanding was pretty pathetic. You'd have thought she'd have some respect for the dead.

Really? Find me a quote. Any quote, from any senior person in the Bush administration where they say that Iraq had *anything* to do with 9/11.


That connection is the strawman I'm talking about. The source of your belief that Iraq is tied to 9/11 comes from *outside* the administration. In nearly every case, it goes like this;


Cheny says that Iraq had ties to terrorists and to al-queda.

Someone responds by priting up a bumpersticker that says: "Cheny claims Iraq was involved in 9/11, and that's a lie!".


Everyone believes the bumpersticker instead of the truth.


2 years later, you still believe the bumpersticker instead of the truth.


It's really easy Git. If what you say is true, just find me a quote that supports it.

Funny thing is that the last time this issue came up and I demanded a quote, no one was able to do it then either. Look. If you can't support this idea, stop saying it as though it's true. It may really confuse you, but the Bush administration *never* ever, not once said that Iraq was in any way involved or responsible for 9/11. That's something other people dreamed up all by themselves...

Really?

A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.

Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.

"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.

Did cheny ever say that Iraq supplied training weapons and support to Al-queda?

It's amazing how you will grasp the most slim connection between two events when it pleases you, but insist that others are irrelevant. Senior Iraqi officials met with senior members of Al-queda. At what point is it ok to say that they were "connected", and that they "had contact" with eachother?

Has it ever occured to you that maybe all Cheny knew when he made those statements was that they'd met? Whithout knowing what was said, or what the result was, what would you have assumed? Gee, we've got this country that we've been concerned about for 12 years now. We know they've supported terrorist groups in the past. We know they've build chemical and biological weapons in the past. We know that they are *currently* harboring a number of terrorists. We know that they are *currently* paying a bounty to terrorists. We also know that they had several high level contacts with the very terrorist organization that killed 3000 of our citizens.

Wouldn't you think it's ok to say they had some connection? Should Cheny just have pretended that none of that actually happened. Should he have put on a happy face and stated that his administration knew of no connection between Iraq and Al-queda?

You are trying really hard to twist the facts around aftwards. The fact is that if Cheny had said that there was no connection between Iraq and Al-queda, you'd be quoting this same source and saying he was a liar. What's the point? You're going to make up some reason to slam him no matter what he does, right? To me, that makes your arguments irrelevant.





Sure. But it's also a strawman to take a statement like: "Iraq had some connections with Al-queda", and respond by saying that that's a lie becuase that doesn't prove that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. That's a strawman. It's a huge one...

Could it be because he was [b]asked about it in an interview? The media is dumb. The media wants an exciting story. The media knows less about terrorist groups then your dog (if you have one). They know we went into Afghanistan because of this group called Al-queda. The obvious question is to ask if Iraq has anything to do with Al-queda. When asked that quesetion, what should Cheny say? I'm serious. Put yourself in his shoes. He said the truthful answer: "yes. Iraq has had some dealings with Al-queda".


Again. It would have been a lie to say otherwise. Deal with it. Just because the media then blows that out of proportion is not my fault. You certainly can't blame Cheny for it.