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#1 Jun 11 2004 at 6:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040611/ap_on_re_us/berkowitz_parole

How can this guy even get a hearing? Why do we have to spend taxpayer money to even go through the motions on this guy? He said himself he shouldn't be paroled.

Edited, Fri Jun 11 19:44:46 2004 by CrimsonMagician
#2 Jun 11 2004 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
Because it's actually cheaper to automatically queue everyone up for parole than to process requests individually. And probably more fair, too. There's less shuffling to the bottom or top of the stack this way. It's not a bad assumption that people in jail would like to be out of jail. It's just not universally applicable. There should be a way for a prisoner to opt out.

Too bad we can do this for the prison system and not for the welfare system. It costs more to hand the money out than the recipients get.
#3 Jun 11 2004 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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How can this guy even get a hearing? Why do we have to spend taxpayer money to even go through the motions on this guy?

Why did we even bother to have a trial for him? Why not just take him out and shoot him? Because this country is ruled by law and not by hot-headed, ranting *********


He said himself he shouldn't be paroled.

And he wasn't. See, sometimes the system works.
#4 Jun 11 2004 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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[quote]Why did we even bother to have a trial for him? Why not just take him out and shoot him? Because this country is ruled by law and not by hot-headed, ranting *****************


Having a trial and capital punishment are seperate issues. Here you have a convicted killer serving 6 consecutive 25-life sentences. What is the point in a parole hearing?
#5 Jun 11 2004 at 6:58 PM Rating: Good
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Because the justice system in the US operates under the idea that it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent man to jail.

The rights of those being prosecuted are strictly upheld to avoid any mistakes, and so that if/when they ARE found guilty, the defense can't appeal and say "you didn't read his miranda rights."

Death Penalty appeals are also automatically entered, even if it's against the prisoner's request.
#6 Jun 11 2004 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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TStephens wrote:
Because it's actually cheaper to automatically queue everyone up for parole than to process requests individually. And probably more fair, too. There's less shuffling to the bottom or top of the stack this way. It's not a bad assumption that people in jail would like to be out of jail. It's just not universally applicable. There should be a way for a prisoner to opt out.

Too bad we can do this for the prison system and not for the welfare system. It costs more to hand the money out than the recipients get.


I didn't think about automatic queue for a parole hearing. I would think that common sense would say "this guy admittedly killed people, and is serving 6 sentences, he isn't going to get parole" Even further aren't the 6 sentences more symbolic, meaning "he's never going to get out" since you obviously cannot serve 6 25 year sentences, or 6 life sentences as a single person.
#7 Jun 11 2004 at 7:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck the Sly wrote:

Because the justice system in the US operates under the idea that it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent man to jail.

The rights of those being prosecuted are strictly upheld to avoid any mistakes, and so that if/when they ARE found guilty, the defense can't appeal and say "you didn't read his miranda rights."

Death Penalty appeals are also automatically entered, even if it's against the prisoner's request.


In this case, you're saying parole is given in case a person was innocent, regardless of their conviction. However the definition of parole:

pa·role ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-rl)
n.
Law.
The release of a prisoner whose term has not expired on condition of sustained lawful behavior that is subject to regular monitoring by an officer of the law for a set period of time.
The duration of such conditional release.

Does this mean time off for good behavior? Or does it mean a chance to overturn a conviction?
#8 Jun 11 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Because the justice system in the US operates under the idea that it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent man to jail.


Thank god for that, too. Just about everyone would be in jail if we enforced every law on the books. Jail is like the ultimate time-out. Only you get to share it with lots of other people, some of which wouldn't mind sampling your wares. And I have to chip in for your room and board while it goes on.

#9 Jun 11 2004 at 7:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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TStephens wrote:
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Because the justice system in the US operates under the idea that it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than send 1 innocent man to jail.


Thank god for that, too. Just about everyone would be in jail if we enforced every law on the books. Jail is like the ultimate time-out. Only you get to share it with lots of other people, some of which wouldn't mind sampling your wares. And I have to chip in for your room and board while it goes on.



Hence the title of my post. The justice system is retarded.
#10 Jun 11 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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In this case, you're saying parole is given in case a person was innocent, regardless of their conviction. However the definition of parole:....

No, I was simply stating how it goes along with the ideals and practices of the US justice system. I actually wasn't referring to parole specifically at all, other than it is yet another example of the protections built into the system.


Obviously, in this case, if a convict says "I shouldn't be paroled" it won't be granted to him.

#11 Jun 11 2004 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Which brings me back to: Why bother wasting money to go through the motions? So some bureaucrat can go through the motions, feel important, and say "What you did was too horrible to grant you parole."

Edited, Fri Jun 11 20:37:04 2004 by CrimsonMagician
#12 Jun 11 2004 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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CrimsonMagician Esquire wrote:


I didn't think about automatic queue for a parole hearing. I would think that common sense would say "this guy admittedly killed people, and is serving 6 sentences, he isn't going to get parole" Even further aren't the 6 sentences more symbolic, meaning "he's never going to get out" since you obviously cannot serve 6 25 year sentences, or 6 life sentences as a single person.



That would seem to be reasonable. However, the purpose of the parole hearings is to get a second (and ongoing) opinion of the prisoners on the off chance the the information in the official records is not correct.

While not common, it does happen that people end up in prison with official confessions on their records that were either incorrectly entered or were under duress. A parole hearing is the opportunity for the prisoner to say directly to the hearing members what he believes about his guilt or innocence. If we didn't just automatically have these hearings for every prisoner, it would be possible for one (or many) to slip through the cracks and have no method to profess their innocence. Or, heaven forbid that they change their minds and their lives while in prison and the cocky 20 year old who commited the crimes is now a much more mature 40 year old and would like a second chance at life outside of prison.


It's a good idea and well worth the cost IMO.
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#13 Jun 11 2004 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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#14 Jun 11 2004 at 11:52 PM Rating: Default
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While not common, it does happen that people end up in prison with official confessions on their records that were either incorrectly entered or were under duress. A parole hearing is the opportunity for the prisoner to say directly to the hearing members what he believes about his guilt or innocence. If we didn't just automatically have these hearings for every prisoner, it would be possible for one (or many) to slip through the cracks and have no method to profess their innocence. Or, heaven forbid that they change their minds and their lives while in prison and the cocky 20 year old who commited the crimes is now a much more mature 40 year old and would like a second chance at life outside of prison.


No they aren't. Automatic appeals are what it sounds like you're thinking of. The question of a persons guilt can't even be discussed in a Parole hearing, only the question of if they accept responsibility.

It'd be nice if Parole hearings were a check on bad convictions but they're not.
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