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#1 Jun 08 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Default
I wish I could do it word for word, I'll try.

If Bush succeeds (during or after his presidency) in creating a democratic gov't in Iraq, will he be reveared for it?

Question, has a major military power ever overthrown a country's current gov't and established a democracy in place of it? Would Iraq be the first shining example of such?

Second question, what does this mean (if anything) for the U.N.? I only ask because if all goes well, (unless my eyes deceive me) The US did not have U.N. approval of the military operations, now the U.N. sanctions the current draft to return power to Iraq. Doesn't that make the U.N. look like a bunch of pussies that should never speak unless spoken to?

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#2 Jun 08 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Question, has a major military power ever overthrown a country's current gov't and established a democracy in place of it?

I am not as familiar as I would like to be with Japan and the post war event chain, but the US and her allies did bring about the end of the functional reign of the emperor. Now he is largely a QofE style figure head.
#3 Jun 08 2004 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default
Good point. They kind of brought it on themselves however. I think the idea in question is an invasion/overthrow/replacement technique. If all goes well, maybe this can be used as a blueprint for the rest of the countries that need a little spring cleaning.

On a side note, if replacing the gov't goes well, maybe it will be food for thought for the other nations that are in jeapordy. Iran maybe?
#4 Jun 08 2004 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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maybe it will be food for thought for the other nations that are in jeapordy.


UH OH

Like when Rome 'saved' all those countless barbarian tribes from themselves.
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#5 Jun 08 2004 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Like when Rome 'saved' all those countless barbarian tribes from themselves.


Good point.

Didn't those tribes "save" Rome years later?

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#6 Jun 08 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
hey I always thought that the end of the world would be cool to see. Watching America destroy itself to rid our world of "those barbarians" would be an equal bliss.
#7 Jun 08 2004 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Question, has a major military power ever overthrown a country's current gov't and established a democracy in place of it? Would Iraq be the first shining example of such?

My history is sketchy on this one, but the Philippines?
#8 Jun 08 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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If Bush succeeds (during or after his presidency) in creating a democratic gov't in Iraq, will he be reveared for it?

Of course he will. I'm a little fuzzy on how he could succeed after his Presidency, but whatever. It's possible of course that Kerry could come into office, make some crazy radical changes that fix everything and cause the Iraqi's to shower us with oil and blowjobs, and then he'd probably get the credit for it.

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Question, has a major military power ever overthrown a country's current gov't and established a democracy in place of it? Would Iraq be the first shining example of such?

Well, there's World War Two as people have allready mentioned. Italy, Germany, and Japan would all qualify. Culturaly there's s signifigant diffrence, however. Islamic states with a roubust spiritual leadership tradition tend not to take to Democracy very well. The very nature of the Koran is much more authoritarian than even the Big Book of Christer Bunnies Bed Time Stories is. See the Holy See in the middle ages for an example of the conflict between strong religous leaders and government.


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Second question, what does this mean (if anything) for the U.N.? I only ask because if all goes well, (unless my eyes deceive me) The US did not have U.N. approval of the military operations, now the U.N. sanctions the current draft to return power to Iraq. Doesn't that make the U.N. look like a bunch of pussies that should never speak unless spoken to?

Third question actually. I don't think it effects the UN much at all. The UN's job isn't regime change. The UN's job isn't to sign off on any military action taken by member states. The UN's job is to facilitate discussion between the member states and allow for a pooling of resources from said states to further the cause of helping mankind by fighting starvation, disease, and the proliferation of violent combat.

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#9 Jun 08 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Didn't those tribes "save" Rome years later?


Yep

and we all know who the descendants of those 'barbarians' are.
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