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#27 Jun 06 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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1. Too bad about your connection, I hope the situation gets resolved quickly.


Thanks, Jonwin is loging out of EQ so I can try resetting modem and router. I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to get back to boards later. After this it's my nap time. Jonwin will have to just deal with it if reseting everything doesn't work.

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2. It is not a dead horse if people keep replying, is it?


It is if we all pointing out the fallacies of your arguement.

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3. The issue still is not whether Active Duty Military can or can not voice thier opinion, the issue is Kerry provides no proof that specific people have made the statements he claims.


Guess you really enjoy beating that dead horse. Give it a rest.

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4. The Conservatives on this board always make a post that is anti-liberal into a drawn out discussion on nitpicking detail before the main topic eventually gets over run by frivilous bull sh*t.

5. Informed people can make informed decisions and opinions. One thing that was learned early in my military career was to understand the regs and laws so that I would not be a "vicitm" of the system. I was actually waiting for one of the "Conservatives" who stated something was illegal to prove their point. Too bad that I had to show them the proof, but alas one Conservative is much like all the others.

6. Conservatives keep the people down because they spout sh*t that sounds good, knowing that a good majority of their audience will believe them regardless.


FTFY (fix it for you Stok, I'm so newbie when my memory develops huge craters

Yep, sounds true from either's the Conservatives or Liberals, point of view.


Later :)

Elne


Edited, Sun Jun 6 16:04:36 2004 by ElneClare
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#28 Jun 06 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
If you are going to plagarize what I write and modify the content at least be nice and say FTFY. Show some forum etiquette.


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4. The Conservatives on this board always make a post that is anti-liberal into a drawn out discussion on nitpicking detail before the main topic eventually gets over run by frivilous bull sh*t.

5. Informed people can make informed decisions and opinions. One thing that was learned early in my military career was to understand the regs and laws so that I would not be a "vicitm" of the system. I was actually waiting for one of the "Conservatives" who stated something was illegal to prove their point. Too bad that I had to show them the proof, but alas one Conservative is much like all the others.

6. Conservatives keep the people down because they spout sh*t that sounds good, knowing that a good majority of their audience will believe them regardless.



K? Thanks
#29 Jun 06 2004 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry Stok

I knew there was something I forgot when I post, but as my memory was failing, I figure it's was time to call it quits for awhile and nap. I'll try not to post while in FibroFog again.

Elne
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#30 Jun 06 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Assertions that at the time had the almost the entire UN's agreement on and the US Congress. Damn he had so many people publicly agreeing with him that the course of action being taken was a good action. But is now a liar, even though a good number of people agreed. Compared to someone who says he has support of people that want to change the current administration because of the war in Iraq and are supposedly Active Duty Military but he is unwilling to divulge his sources. Hmmm looks to me that it falls into the same arena, the two issues are about the same thing the war in Iraq and who lying or who has lied.


Information I have read says that Bush and Co purposely skewed Raw data to make this case hold water, first implying heavily that Saddam was the 9/11 guy then that he had WMD then that they were over their because Bush and Co are humanitarians that care so much about he plight of the poor Iraqi people that they couldnt help but act. Funny that these are the same guys ignoring poor Americans. Its funny how little it takes for the Right to try and further the mud on Kerry. Sorta like lying about a BJ> then lying about a war.
#31 Jun 06 2004 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Funny that these are the same guys ignoring poor Americans.


Show me, tell me or link me to any program that Kerry has offered as a Presidential Nominee that is going to directly help the poor out of poverty and get this country moving or better yet that he has sponsored in Congress and got passed.

What's wrong Democrats? Someone is focusing on your candidate and calling him a liar and you don't like it? Well support him instead of turning into a right wing conspiracy and convine me that Kerry is the Man for the job.

I'm not as conservative as people think I am, Kerry might be the guy I vote for.
#32 Jun 06 2004 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
Its really easy he has things pretty clear on his website on where he stands on all the issues but your not gonna find that info on Foxnews or in the NewRepublic =P

Ya I do get perturbed when someone lies about my canidate being a liar, but thats nothing new from the Bush Campaign Machine, what they did to Mccain was just ******* wrong.

For Kerry's stand on the issue need look no further then his website.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
#33 Jun 07 2004 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone is focusing on your candidate and calling him a liar and you don't like it? Well support him instead of turning into a right wing conspiracy and convine me that Kerry is the Man for the job.

I don't care if you call him liar. What you are doing is crying because he's not outing military memebrs who expressed an oppinion to him. That's not even vaguely simmilar to lying.

Bush on the other hand lied in the State of the Union adress.

No contest. If lying is your "character issue" you won't be voting for Bush. But, clearly, it's not about character for you it's about who's most likely to give the super-wealthy more money or whatever silly excuse of a reason that causes you to support Bush.

He's willing to invade another contry because God told him to, or he's willing to cut taxes and increase spending because he'll be out of office before the debt cripples the economy.

Or whatever.
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#34 Jun 07 2004 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
^^-- See I was right you CAN'T give me a convincing reason to vote for Kerry. All you can do is come back and bash Bush. Or point me to Kerry's propaganda web site, I've been there. where everything smells like roses.

Guess what Smash, your boy believes in GOD? Kerry is the first Roman Catholic candidate from a major political party since John F. Kennedy in 1961.

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What you are doing is crying because he's not outing military memebrs who expressed an oppinion to him.


No I'm not crying. I could actually care less what group is supposedly expressing support of him with out him providing facts. What I'm trying to discuss is that he talks before he thinks. The next we'll be hearing is how high officials in the Catholic Church, boy scouts or some other organization is supporting him behind the scenes but he won't tell us who. You see I like to see names of who specifically is supporting him from national organizations so that I can determine if the group as an entirety or a small fraction of that group is truly supporting him. I'm glad that their are world leaders and Active Duty Military people supporting him, this proves the man has some clout and is being told change is needed.

FYI - I don't know where you get the impression I'll be voting for Bush, Kerry or Nader. I'm truly not impressed with any of them yet at the same time I don't see that Kerry provides a bigger advantage over the current administration. In fact from what I'm seeing is something worse.

1. He is a supposed to be a practicing Roman Catholic, yet he believes that a woman has a right to kill a baby growing inside her(oh that's right, you guys call it abortion).

2. He believes that we need to take our direction for the US' role in the world from the United Nations.

3. He demonstrated against and formed an organization against the soldiers fighting in Vietnam after only being in the combat zone for 4 months, and was released from his military obligation 6 months early.

4. Your golden boy is a hot tempered, talk before he thinks, rich Catholic, who the liberals and democrats have put there hopes in.

Those are just some of the points.
#35 Jun 07 2004 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
i like it all stok, cept for your abortion bit.

If you are against the legality of abortion, shame on you. In this country you should be able to have that choice.
Morally, you are absolutely right, to me it's killing. Sometimes a necessary evil if the mother has medical issues that would increase the probability or complication of birth.
And what's going on in England is just wrong. It's only gonna get worse.
#36 Jun 07 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Or point me to Kerry's propaganda web site


lol your so intrested in the truth that you wont read Kerry's plan in Kerry's own words. Someone else said it already but its clear that you have been bought and paid for by the Republican party. Nothing like seeing both sides of the story, nm that too hard for you too I imagine go to Bush's website compare and contrast with Kerry's.
#37 Jun 07 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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Are you somehow implying that a moderate Catholic is somehow a worse candidate than a born-again fundamentalist Methodist who says he's following God's plan? Kerry could be Islamic and, as long as he kept his faith out of the Presidency, he'd be a better choice on that front than Bush trying to impose his religious views upon the nation.

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He is a supposed to be a practicing Roman Catholic, yet he believes that a woman has a right to kill a baby growing inside her(oh that's right, you guys call it abortion).
So do lots of Catholics. Guess what? While I wouldn't want the mother of my unborn child to have an abortion, I don't think it's the President's place to make that choice for her. See? I can seperate personal beliefs with what I think is correct politically.. C'mon, if Kerry was a puppet for the Vatican you'd be crying about that too to discredit him.
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#38 Jun 07 2004 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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He is a supposed to be a practicing Roman Catholic, yet he believes that a woman has a right to kill a baby growing inside her(oh that's right, you guys call it abortion).

Bush is supposed to be a practicing Christian, and yet he believes that the government has the right to kill people, and in fact killed 152 people as governor of Texas (Oh that's right, you guys call it capital punishment).
#39 Jun 07 2004 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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President George Bush's own Methodist church has launched a scathing attack on his preparations for war against Iraq, saying they are 'without any justification according to the teachings of Christ'.

Jim Winkler, head of social policy for United Methodists, added that all attempts at a 'dialogue' between the President and his own church over the war had fallen on deaf ears at the White House.

His remarks came as the US continued its efforts to achieve agreement on a UN resolution that would open the way for a tough program of weapons inspections in Iraq. France is believed to be concerned that the current draft resolution might still act as a trigger for military intervention without a full Security Council debate if Iraq fails to comply.
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The Methodist Church, he says, is not pacifist, but 'rejects war as a usual means of national policy'. Methodist scriptural doctrine, he added, specifies 'war as a last resort, primarily a defensive thing. And so far as I know, Saddam Hussein has not mobilized military forces along the borders of the United States, nor along his own border to invade a neighboring country, nor have any of these countries pleaded for our assistance, not does he have weapons of mass destruction targeted at the United States'.


Source

And Bush calls himself a Methodist -- For shame! Smiley: disappointed
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#40 Jun 07 2004 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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lol your so intrested in the truth that you wont read Kerry's plan in Kerry's own words.

I have read the site, have you? I'm here to find out how many of you Kerry supporters have and are actually aware of his agenda.

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Someone else said it already but its clear that you have been bought and paid for by the Republican party.
Not true, you see I have stated this many times. But I'm lying because I do not believe in the things you do, because I believe living life with personal responsibility and taking the "bull by the horns" and making a life for myself through hard work is the right way to live. I'm lying Because i'm not relying on the government to support me and I'm not crying because I'm going through hard times. I'm lying and I must be a Republican because I would rather have GWB re-elected than JFK elected to be the President of my country. I guess the best way to sum it up is that I'm proud to be labeled a Republican even though I am not, so long as I am not labeled a Democrat.


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Nothing like seeing both sides of the story, nm that too hard for you...
No dumbass I have seen both sides of the story, and I don't agree with the one that you believe in.

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...too I imagine go to Bush's website compare and contrast with Kerry's.
I did that.

As for the comparing of the two candidates war record, that was done by at least 2 news periodicals that I read, US News and World Report and some other weekly rag, plus numerous newspapers and web sites, so nothing new here. But if this is the first that you have seen or discussed the comparison, then you need to be quiet and go study in a corner young man. ;)
#41 Jun 07 2004 at 4:19 PM Rating: Default
There are times in life when you just have to tell Stok to....

GFH.

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#42 Jun 07 2004 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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There are times in life when you just have to tell Stok to....

GFH.


Well since I'm not as acronym savvy as you are, I guess all I can say is thank you.
#43 Jun 07 2004 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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You're confused Stok. No one thinks Kerry is a "golden boy" or the best man in the country for the job. All I say about him is that he's a vastly superior option to George W. Bush. That's the only issue that matters. I could care less if he *** fuc[b][/b]ks world leaders with the heads of active duty military personel.

Kerry will appoint SCOTUS justices that won't ravage the right to privacy in this country. That matters to me a great deal. If your decision comes down to which candidate you think seems more sincere, vote that way.

Your vote, and mine, are of course completely irrelevant as both men will easily win their home states. Well, Kerry will win his home state, Bush will win one of the many states his family had expensive property in when he was growing up in Conneticut.
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#44 Jun 07 2004 at 5:09 PM Rating: Default
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I guess all I can say is thank you.


You're welcome. :)

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#45 Jun 07 2004 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Guys. Here's the way I see it:

If an endorsement from a particular member of the Armed Services would be illegal for one reason or another, then I would think that the same reasons that make it illegal should prevent a Candidate with any ethics from *implying* he has that endorsment.

If it's not illegal, then that candidate should ask those members who support him to openly endorse him.


What Kerry is doing is hiding behind a loophole. He's stating that "some members of the Armed services" are saying "privately" to him that they want him to be president, but he's not saying who these people are. He's counting on the gullible public assuming that these are members of the Armed Services for whom it would be illegal to make such an indoresement. Of course, he's not actually saying that, but that's the conclusion that most people will arrive at (including many on this board!).


The point of the tactic is to get around the ban on that sort of endorsement. Kerry can convince people that he has the support of those who aren't supposed to make their endorsements public, but has total denyability during the whole thing. After all, he never said who supported him, or how many. It's not his fault if people just made assumptions, right?...


That's what's bogus about this. A candidate needs to support his statements. If he's got the support of a group of people, he needs to either say who it is, or keep his mouth shut. Vague implications and innuendo is becoming a regular part of Kerry's platform, and that's alarming on many levels.

It really is the "some foreign leaders" thing all over again.
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#46 Jun 07 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Bush does the exact same thing almost daily. All cnadidates do. One, there's absolutely nothing false, unethical, or inconsistent about not naming specefic people in either case. Two, it's virtually impossible for either statement to be false considering how unlikely it is that ever member of the armed services is voting one way or that every world leader supports one candidate.

So, he's not lying. He's not gaining anything by not naming specefic people, merely protecting them.

What's the problem again? Oh yes, that's right, his positions on actual issues are so unimpeachibly superior to Bush's that this all you people can cling to in an attempt to gain some sort of toehold to desperately find something wrong with Kerry.

So sad.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#47 Jun 07 2004 at 5:41 PM Rating: Decent
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You're confused Stok.

Nope, not confused just trying to get the other side on this forum. For all the Bush bashing that goes on around here, it's Kerry's turn for some attention.

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No one thinks Kerry is a "golden boy" or the best man in the country for the job.
Someone must. Maybe not you but there is somebody out there that thinks his **** don't stink. Maybe it is pickledick?

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All I say about him is that he's a vastly superior option to George W. Bush. That's the only issue that matters.
He's not vastly superior, and that is why it matters.

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I could care less if he *** ***** world leaders with the heads of active duty military personel.
Gee Smash you should care. But then again aren't you one of those that think our country's military should be controlled bythe UN.

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Kerry will appoint SCOTUS justices that won't ravage the right to privacy in this country. That matters to me a great deal.
You see this matters a great deal to me also, I do not want our privacy given away nor any of our other rights as Americans.

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If your decision comes down to which candidate you think seems more sincere, vote that way.
It's not about sincerity but action.

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Your vote, and mine, are of course completely irrelevant as both men will easily win their home states. Well, Kerry will win his home state, Bush will win one of the many states his family had expensive property in when he was growing up in Conneticut.


Agreed

#48 Jun 07 2004 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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He's not vastly superior, and that is why it matters.

Then why not talk about where you think Bush is superior. Because comparing military records of the two men doesn't lead anyone in that direction.

You're only goal is to attack Kerry's "character" because you apparently can't think of an issue that Bush has a better position on. Maybe you could find a link to some old Wille Horton ads. Kerry was Lt. Governor then, you know.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#49 Jun 07 2004 at 5:54 PM Rating: Default
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Someone must. Maybe not you but there is somebody out there that thinks his sh*t don't stink. Maybe it is pickle@#%^?


Nope, I just fuc[i][/i]king hate you.

Die. :)

Eb
#50 Jun 07 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nope, I just ******* hate you.

Die. :)

Eb


Hey Pickledick you forgot to add that stupid snide *** comment at the bottom, You know the ones that represent the size of your ****
#51 Jun 07 2004 at 6:11 PM Rating: Default
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Hey Pickle@#%^ you forgot to add that stupid snide *** comment at the bottom, You know the ones that represent the size of your @#%^


Pathetic.

Don't you realize that I only do that when I'm kidding?

Eb

Keep it up and I'll have my girlfriend call your wife and tell her how big it is. :P

Edited, Mon Jun 7 19:11:22 2004 by pickleprince
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