Hell that is not even a month...more two weeks in two consecutive months.
Plus I can say that being a teacher...no school I know of celebrates Hispanic Heritage Month.
I did assume one existed. Now I will know to wear my sombrero from the middle of September until the middle of October.
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Well, I'm glad that I put this up here...atleast now I can have some piece of mind when I have to face these people back home.
Thanks to all that posted educated comments and thoughts about this. I appreciate it.
Oh, and I almost got through a whole post in the Asylum without cursing...almost.
Thanks to all that posted educated comments and thoughts about this. I appreciate it.
Oh, and I almost got through a whole post in the Asylum without cursing...almost.
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YOU CANT CHANGE THE PAST!!!!
lol dont give yourself a guilt trip over it, its a flag....
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lol dont give yourself a guilt trip over it, its a flag....
These colors don't run.
Eb
'murica, luv it er leeve it.
lol... luv it, or leave it..
can I change that to learn the language or GO THE **** BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!
can I change that to learn the language or GO THE **** BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!
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You're probably like some of the "white power" friends I had back in CA. They'd tell me all the time how they hate Hispanics, except for me of course.
Your probably like the spics I knew growing up that didn't like whites. Or the blacks that didn't like whites or hispanics either. Racism is not a one way street, nor are the symbols used one sided. Personally my recommendation is to forget about the board, or if you get it back leave it in the trunk of your car or the closet. The hassle that you will go through now that others know you have it, is not worth the trouble.
Since when was *** a negative connotation? I know a lot of nice Jewish American Princesses that don't mind the term ***.
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you must be conscious of what the symbol means to others in an offensive way.
This is a great statement for those of you that are able to step, however briefly, into someone else's shoes. Now my parents came here legally, paid my own way through schools without any scholarships, I never dealt with "la migra" and all that being an illegal alien entails, but because of my skin color and features I still enjoy the occasional "beaner" reference, or the always witty allusions to cutting lawns and stealing jobs.
It truly sucks to be boxed into a stereotype of your culture, but sometimes by condoning behaviors that support these views (even if you don't mean to encourage them) you are contributing to every person who has a negative assumption to make based on someone's sex, race, nationality, or sexual orientation. Most people in middle America find it easy to swallow stereotypes because they don't frequent other cultures. Hell, before I came from South America I was convinced everyone was cinnamon-colored, Catholic and straight. Imagine my surprise when I arrived in "Chocolate City."
Take it as an opportunity to learn. The same things that **** you off about being thought of as an ignorant cracker are the ones that **** off every person of color that has ever had to come to the realization that for some folk, negative assumptions are all they can ever expect. I'm not saying you can change the world, but the fact that you care enough to see all sides of this issue speaks volumes for the invalidity of your Seargant's assumption.
Edited, Wed Jun 2 20:45:04 2004 by Atomicflea
few words of sujestion (keeping in mind i do not know the navel terms for these postions)
A. talk to your emidiate supivisor and try to get the regulations pertaining to personal property in the dorms.
if he does not have it, your dorm Sgt. should have the regs.
B. read the regs and get as familure with them as you can. if you do not understand what something is saying or the wording that is used as first your dorm Sgt., then your supper, if neither of them can answere the question, start to walk it up the chain of command until you get to someone who can answere the questions.
once you have familurized your self with the regulations and if you have found that the SgtMj Had no right according to the regulations to take the action he did, then you can set and appointment with him and ask your suppivisor to attend. bring the situation and the regulations, be specific, and be polite and request the return of your personal property.
explain, and get character whitnesses if needed to verify that you are not raciest, and this was not inteded to be negative in any way. it is just part of your heratiage and something you are proud of having grown up in TX.
if at this point things are still not going the way you like, and or the SgtMj is baulking at his appolagy(do not as for one, just ask for your property to be returned in the same condition it was removed), then you can either hit the JAG, or you can hit the IG team.
JAG = judge advocate general(military law)
IG = inspector general (normaly an E-8 or E-9 that looks into breach of military conduct, and or regulations and does so annon. for the individual filing the complaint)
i would save the IG and JAG for a last ditch effort if you really feel you have a leg to stand on. now it might be that there is written regulation prohibiting items with the confederate flag on them. i do not know, but you WILL after you have thorourly read the regulations.
best of luck. sorry that **** happend.
A. talk to your emidiate supivisor and try to get the regulations pertaining to personal property in the dorms.
if he does not have it, your dorm Sgt. should have the regs.
B. read the regs and get as familure with them as you can. if you do not understand what something is saying or the wording that is used as first your dorm Sgt., then your supper, if neither of them can answere the question, start to walk it up the chain of command until you get to someone who can answere the questions.
once you have familurized your self with the regulations and if you have found that the SgtMj Had no right according to the regulations to take the action he did, then you can set and appointment with him and ask your suppivisor to attend. bring the situation and the regulations, be specific, and be polite and request the return of your personal property.
explain, and get character whitnesses if needed to verify that you are not raciest, and this was not inteded to be negative in any way. it is just part of your heratiage and something you are proud of having grown up in TX.
if at this point things are still not going the way you like, and or the SgtMj is baulking at his appolagy(do not as for one, just ask for your property to be returned in the same condition it was removed), then you can either hit the JAG, or you can hit the IG team.
JAG = judge advocate general(military law)
IG = inspector general (normaly an E-8 or E-9 that looks into breach of military conduct, and or regulations and does so annon. for the individual filing the complaint)
i would save the IG and JAG for a last ditch effort if you really feel you have a leg to stand on. now it might be that there is written regulation prohibiting items with the confederate flag on them. i do not know, but you WILL after you have thorourly read the regulations.
best of luck. sorry that **** happend.
Actually that is good advice. However, take the easy route and go to your EO and find out what EO says about the situation. IG and JAG will point you there first.
Great ideas. Either way I will definatly be taking the high road on this. I guess we will see how I feel when I get back...maybe my feelings will have died down.
And who knows, maybe it will be waiting for me in my room where I left it.
**fingers crossed**
And who knows, maybe it will be waiting for me in my room where I left it.
**fingers crossed**
just remember to start as low on the totem pole of power as you can.
if you skip ppl in the chain of command a few things happen.
1. you **** a lot of ppl off unneeded.
2. you very well might get turned down for failure to follow the chain of command.
3. word will get around you are not 'good' and end up in a lot more heat then you need/want to deal with.
always, always start at your emidiate supivisor, unless they are the problem and its more then a personal issue.
to me it sounds like this guy is not your supper, so starting with your supper should be the best place to start. also make sure to get your hands on a copy of the regs. if your dorm Sgt. does not have them, then personal will have access to getting you a copy/viewing of them.
if you skip ppl in the chain of command a few things happen.
1. you **** a lot of ppl off unneeded.
2. you very well might get turned down for failure to follow the chain of command.
3. word will get around you are not 'good' and end up in a lot more heat then you need/want to deal with.
always, always start at your emidiate supivisor, unless they are the problem and its more then a personal issue.
to me it sounds like this guy is not your supper, so starting with your supper should be the best place to start. also make sure to get your hands on a copy of the regs. if your dorm Sgt. does not have them, then personal will have access to getting you a copy/viewing of them.
Personally , I could care less.. It's history.. it's tradition,it's the "culture" of the South.. it was alot different then the North.. It's like a Scot wearing a Kilt... Do English get offended?.. no.. they fought together alot..
My Left Brained side however says it is the banner of sympathizers and traitors against our great united STATE OF 'MERICA!! THe South was Traitors.. Plain and Simple.. If you want to get Political about it.. that's all it represnets.. Rebellion.... NOt even a Revalution.. you fly that thing.. you're saying you're not an American.
BUt I don't Believe that.^.. I'm a Right Brainer.
My Left Brained side however says it is the banner of sympathizers and traitors against our great united STATE OF 'MERICA!! THe South was Traitors.. Plain and Simple.. If you want to get Political about it.. that's all it represnets.. Rebellion.... NOt even a Revalution.. you fly that thing.. you're saying you're not an American.
BUt I don't Believe that.^.. I'm a Right Brainer.
What I find funny is that slavery wasn't the reason for the Civil War. It was the fact that the North wanted a strong federal government, and the south didn't. Slavery was just the issue of the time. People make out the Confederate Flag to be racist, yet ithas nothing to do with it. If slavery had been the first issue in long chain that started the Civil War, the world would be very different.
Some of you will remember that the EP only freed slaves in southern states, the "Middle" states that sided with the Union were allowed to keep theirs until after the war, and amendmants.
Anyway, did you talk to someone of a senior rank about getting it back?
Some of you will remember that the EP only freed slaves in southern states, the "Middle" states that sided with the Union were allowed to keep theirs until after the war, and amendmants.
Anyway, did you talk to someone of a senior rank about getting it back?
Dey tuk yer jerbs!!!
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Most of you still live off of welfare, medicaid, and think the world "owes" you because of your ancestory. Get a grip! You've had enough time to get over it, and move on. Everyone else has..
While I wouldn't agree that most of "them" live off of welfare and what not, I suppose it gives one a defense if he wants to beat his kid to death and he happens to be black.
In the hospital, I see just as many white, pregnant and on welfare/medicaid girls as I do black ones. Possibly even more.
Last thing I heard, it won't be long until the minorities aren't even in the minority anymore.
To the OP, I'm sorry you lost your flag.
The Confederate Flag is one of those symbols that has a lot of emotional baggage with it. It might mean one thing to you and something else to another person.
****** but there it is, sergeant major probably just doing to nip problem in the bud as another mentioned earlier. if he didnt some people would be ******** that allowing you to have it was tacit approval of slavery, even though the symbol means something else to you. If he had choice of pissing you off or pissing off a bunch of people and getting in PC Quagmire he prob would go for you.
Sometimes you get the short end of the stick.
****** but there it is, sergeant major probably just doing to nip problem in the bud as another mentioned earlier. if he didnt some people would be ******** that allowing you to have it was tacit approval of slavery, even though the symbol means something else to you. If he had choice of pissing you off or pissing off a bunch of people and getting in PC Quagmire he prob would go for you.
Sometimes you get the short end of the stick.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
everyone is discriminant to some point whether it be gay ppl, other races, old ppl, etc. for ex. everyman that watches and likes **** is slightly gay, how u ask. well do u like the guys to have a soft,small,flacid *****? no! hmmmm, u say u like the dude to have a huge, rock hard, throbbin' c*ck! game
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well do u like the guys to have a soft,small,flacid *****? no! hmmmm, u say u like the dude to have a huge, rock hard, throbbin' c*ck! game
Dude?
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
oh and kao, btw if i post 4 times a day but it's in 20 min, and u post 40 times a day but over a few hours, what right do u have to say that I'M spamming the boards. maybe u should take a day off and relax bud
well if u don't like that analogy, how bout this one. do u like to see a black man that's very short,skinny, high pitched voice, small hands, pointy nose,that uses big words, etc. on TV no prolly not, u think that's a little off. most people imagine a 6'5" 230 lb, deep voiced, dumb ***, flat nosed, basketball playin' *****. now tell me if that's not slightly racist
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btw if i post 4 times a day but it's in 20 min, and u post 40 times a day but over a few hours
Its not just about amount its about content, plus we like Kaolian and your just a stranger.
Also you wont see 4 posts by Kaolian in 5 minutes filling up board, he does a lot of his 40 posts per day in responding to threads and helping people not in creating 40 pointless posts.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
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well if u don't like that analogy, how bout this one. do u like to see a black man that's very short,skinny, high pitched voice, small hands, pointy nose,that uses big words, etc. on TV no prolly not, u think that's a little off. most people imagine a 6'5" 230 lb, deep voiced, dumb ***, flat nosed, basketball playin' *****. now tell me if that's not slightly racist
Buddy where are you getting these f*cked up analogies lol. You just make **** up and pass it off like it actually makes sense or thats what people are thinking when no one actually is :P
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Tape,
Get with your SNCOIC he should be able to get your board back. They cant keep it the most they can do is tell you to take the Sticker off (if it's a sticker) or tell you that you can't keep it in the barracks. Right or wrong the SgtMajor can do that. I will keep my opinions to myself as far as whether the confederate flag is offensive.
Damth
Get with your SNCOIC he should be able to get your board back. They cant keep it the most they can do is tell you to take the Sticker off (if it's a sticker) or tell you that you can't keep it in the barracks. Right or wrong the SgtMajor can do that. I will keep my opinions to myself as far as whether the confederate flag is offensive.
Damth
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