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#1 May 30 2004 at 2:38 AM Rating: Good
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Freindly Fire.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529tillman29.html
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#3 May 30 2004 at 2:50 AM Rating: Good
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It'd be nice to have a little more information about it.

It'd also be nice if this administration didn't

FUC[B][/B]KING MILK THE DEATH OF SOMEONE WHO WAS SHOT BY ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE US ARMED SERVISES AND THEN LEAK THE FACT THE FACT THAT HE DIED THIS WAY WHEN THEY HAD NOTHING MORE TO GAIN FROM HIM ON THE WEEKEND WHERE THE FEWEST PEOPLE WATCH THE NEWS ALL YEAR

But, hell, I'm a cynical Democrat. I'm sure it's just coincidence.

Also, I find it a little odd to award him the Silver Star PH when he died that way. Propaganda is a wonderfull thing I guess.
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#5 May 30 2004 at 3:45 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji where is your conservative response to this?
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#6 May 30 2004 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji's response will be that freindly fire happens and it's not signifigant and he never bought into the whole "hero" thing anyway.

But it'll take 9000 words.
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#7 May 30 2004 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good
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But it'll take 9000 words.


Since your a betting man, ill bet you a "rate up" that 500 of the 9000 words will be about how he is not a "conservative".
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#8 May 30 2004 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
Not sure what to say didnt add this here myself cause well Pat Tillman is a personal hero, I met him and liked him and saw him on campus. A true tragedy in my oppinon and the fact that someone "friendly" may have shot him doesnt change my oppinion.
#9 May 30 2004 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
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It doesn't change my oppinion of him either. I'm a little fuzzy on how you get a Silver Star for being shot by blue on blue though. It'd be nice to know a little more about what happened. It sure looks a lot like he was awarded it because his face would be on TV a lot.

Edited, Sun May 30 06:34:25 2004 by Smasharoo
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#10 May 30 2004 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
smash that's interesting. ive been reading the asylum for a few days now. hmm, the administration and not the liberal media. i get it, administration leaks the info, knowing full well it would be blanketed properly by the media, but the end result is a sense of nationalism and "we need to do the right thing" ie keep bush in office so he can finish the job he started. hmmm, at least thats why i get out of it.
#11 May 30 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I find it disturbing to find out that Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire, but I will not lose sight of the fact that he put himself in that position, so killed by friend or foe he was a brave person who put his life on the line for something he believed in. We have a military force of volunteers, these are not conscript troops, they signed up and took the oath to defend their country willingly and of their own free will which makes them ALL heroes to me.
#12 May 30 2004 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's my understanding the Bush administration did not leak this, but the Pentagon released this information two days ago. It was in response to an Afghani fighter who claimed to a journalist that he witnessed it in that there were no Taliban fighters in the area, but it was an error between US and Afg. forces on patrol together.

I guess if you want to say that the Pentagon works for the President and therefore the Bush camp is ultimately responsible for releasing this information I suppose you could, but to lay claim to the idea that it is the cynical use of Memorial weekend just doesn't strike me as true.

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#13 May 30 2004 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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I guess if you want to say that the Pentagon works for the President and therefore the Bush camp is ultimately responsible for releasing this information I suppose you could, but to lay claim to the idea that it is the cynical use of Memorial weekend just doesn't strike me as true.

Does it strike you as true that the details regarding his death were specifically left out because they got tremendous milage out of his hero worship.

To use someone's death in such a way is deplorable.
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#14 May 30 2004 at 5:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not necessarily. I'm not certain they'd have released anything about his death had it not come to light via the media. In fact, to this point, it still is uncertain that it in fact was a friendly fire incident. From all the news sources I have read on this, that is still in contention, although you wouldn't know it from everyone's reaction.

As for anyone making political hay out of his death, how does that benefit the Bush administration? Perhaps the Pentagon might for recruitment purposes, but even they'd have been far better off if he'd returned home alive. It seems to me that if anything Tillman was glorified for what he represented, the patriotic American ideal, not for any partisan political mileage anybody could have gotten out of him.

To assume that anyone is using his death for their own gain is... well, more ghoulishly cynical than I or any Neocon was supposedly guilty of with any of even the worst of the crimes Clinton had been accused of during his tenure (like Vince Foster, FBIgate, Travelgate, Whitewater, etc, etc, ad nausem). And, I might add, with as much evidence backing these accusations.

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As for anyone making political hay out of his death, how does that benefit the Bush administration? Perhaps the Pentagon might for recruitment purposes, but even they'd have been far better off if he'd returned home alive. It seems to me that if anything Tillman was glorified for what he represented, the patriotic American ideal, not for any partisan political mileage anybody could have gotten out of him.

Are you fuc[b][/b]king kidding me? I can bury you with 100 links of the right making hay out of his death, which benefits the Bush administration by providing them a martyr.

How do suicide bombers benefit muslim fanatcis? It's the same sociological force.
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#16 May 30 2004 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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What planet are you on? A friendly fire incident does nothing for the Bush administration. If they had these magical powers of propaganda which you claim them to have they'd have somehow twisted the truth to make it so he'd died jumping on a Taliban grenade rather than a fellow Ranger supposedly popping him in the back. All this highlights is the utter waste his training, his life ended up being. Ostensibly, there weren't even any Taliban or Al Qaeda fighters anywhere near them when this occured, so if anything it is a huge black eye for an elite military unit, not some wonderful windfall of martyrdom.

What's amazing is you attempting to make lemonade out of lemons for the Right. Talk about freaky role reversals!

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#17 May 30 2004 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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A friendly fire incident does nothing for the Bush administration. If they had these magical powers of propaganda which you claim them to have they'd have somehow twisted the truth to make it so he'd died jumping on a Taliban grenade rather than a fellow Ranger supposedly popping him in the back. All this highlights is the utter waste his training, his life ended up being. Ostensibly, there weren't even any Taliban or Al Qaeda fighters anywhere near them when this occured, so if anything it is a huge black eye for an elite military unit, not some wonderful windfall of martyrdom.

Which is why you don't mention the freindly fire part untill you know it's going to get out to the press anyway. Then you dispute it and say it's still being investigated and the 50 percent of people who think Saddam was president of Iraq think he died saving crippled children.

There is ZERO, ZERO, ZERO, ZERO reason not to mention the freindly fire thing immediately except for political gain.

Look at the Brittish FF incidents. How many of them did we not know were FF untill months later on a bank holiday?

Wakt the fuc[b][/b]k up.
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#18 May 30 2004 at 6:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow. Talk about two completely different points of view. Here I am, supposedly on the receiving end of all this good fortune, and I am not the least bit clued in as to just how lucky I am to have a celebrated soldier possibly die at his own comrade's hands. And on the other side, we have a dedicated liberal jealous that such a thing didn't happen during his president's watch. Damn the luck!

Did the laws of gravity get repealed? Is up now down? Did I take the red pill when I should have taken the blue one?

Let's look at this objectively, shall we? If the truth is going to be twisted anyhow-- and you are claiming that is happening even as we speak --then why bother with making it a friendly fire incident when with just a bit more imagination they can make it a wonderful story of self sacrifice and love of country where he died saving the lives of his comrades. That would be some good propaganda.

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#19 May 31 2004 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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If the truth is going to be twisted anyhow-- and you are claiming that is happening even as we speak --then why bother with making it a friendly fire incident when with just a bit more imagination they can make it a wonderful story of self sacrifice and love of country where he died saving the lives of his comrades. That would be some good propaganda.

They would. There are other non officla sourced coming forward. If you think they wouldn't examine the military reporting of J Lynch's rescue.

QED.
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#20 May 31 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unreal.

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#21 Jun 01 2004 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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To be perfectly honest, I never understood why this guy got any more press then anyone else who's served and/or died in our military. The right didn't make him into a hero, the media and his fans did. End of story.

As to political hay?... I'm sure you can find a hundred links to right wing attempts to use his death to make him seem like a hero and garner support for the current administration. However, I'm equally sure that you could find a hundred links from the left using his death as an argument as to why we shouldn't support the current administration. Heck. At least two of them would be links to posts made by you on this forum...

Kinda hypocritical to vehemently blame the other side for doing the exact same thing you do, don't you think?
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#22 Jun 01 2004 at 7:52 PM Rating: Default
Damn he was hot....
#23 Jun 02 2004 at 3:25 AM Rating: Decent
I could be mistaken but I believe the Silver Star in question was from a previous engagement with the enemy and not this one. Can't find the link atm but seem to recall him leading an assult after being ambushed as a squad leader and no one getting hurt. I would say him getting killed and a couple of buddies wounded would contradict that part of the link will edit post when I find it.

NM I was wrong, he was assulting friendly forces I guess then =(

Edited, Wed Jun 2 04:26:55 2004 by flishtaco
#24 Jun 02 2004 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Also, I find it a little odd to award him the Silver Star PH when he died that way. Propaganda is a wonderfull thing I guess.


I don't mean this in any disrespectful way at all to people who earn medals, but aren't all medals 'propoganda'? ( Especially those that are given posthumously) No matter what purpose you may think medals serve, it really comes down to making people in the military and the public feel better about things that happen in war. I think it's a 'vast left-wing conspiracy' to say that this medal was awarded in an effort to rally support for the war- if the medal wasn't awarded, we would be hearing complaints that the administration failed to recognize a hero.
#25 Jun 02 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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For his actions, the Army posthumously awarded Tillman the Silver Star, its third-highest award for combat valor, saying Tillman led his Ranger team that day "without regard for his own safety" and was shot and killed heroically trying to save his comrades. The Army said his actions helped the trapped soldiers maneuver to safety "without taking a single casualty."


Uhm, without taking a single casualty? I thought he ******* died. Isnt that a casualty?
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