http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040521/D82N8R081.html
Mejia, 28, says he refused to return to his unit after a two-week furlough in October because he believes the war in Iraq is unjust. He turned himself in to the Army in March and sought status as a conscientious objector.
Military prosecutors argued that Mejia abandoned his troops and didn't fulfill his duty.
"He enjoyed all the benefits of the military, just not the duty," Capt. A.J. Balbo, the lead prosecutor, said in his closing argument. "The defense says he accomplished all his missions. Except the most important one - showing up."
No shi[b][/b]t, not showing up for National Guard service is a crime? Who knew?
I'm sure everyone who "enjoys all the benefits of the military, just no the duty" is treated the same way in the good ole NG.
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...Mejia abandoned his troops and didn't fulfill his duty.
There is a large difference between leaving the battlefield and not showing up for a weekend drill.
This SSG was on Active Duty with a requirement to return, where as ol' GW was a drilling reservist where the option to miss scheduled drills is allowed.
Learn the system before you spout your rhetoric. I've been 12 years Active duty and 8 years Reservist, there's a huge difference even during time of war.
I have no sympathy for this cat going to prison. If you dont want to be there than dont join the military. If you want to leave the military you must act insane or something, dont go AWOL. If you do go AWOL then you must leave the country and not come back.
On the other hand I can rationalize his motives for wanting to leave. War is traumatic. I have not experienced it and I have no urge to either.
On the other hand I can rationalize his motives for wanting to leave. War is traumatic. I have not experienced it and I have no urge to either.
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This SSG was on Active Duty with a requirement to return, where as ol' GW was a drilling reservist where the option to miss scheduled drills is allowed.
Good thing there wasn't a war going on or anything. Oh wait, there was, Kerry was busy dodging bullets to save people's lives while Bush wasn't required to show up.
Bush was in the National Guard on ACTIVE DUTY he wasn't a reservist.
Learn the facts before you spout your bulls[b][/b]hit excuses for the man.
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If I ever get drafted I hope to God that I do not have to fight beside the lazy f**** who think that drills should be optional.
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where the option to miss scheduled drills is allowed.
If I ever get drafted I hope to God that I do not have to fight beside the lazy f**** who think that drills should be optional.
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If I ever get drafted I hope to God that I do not have to fight beside the lazy f**** who think that drills should be optional.
Don't worry you'll get drafted on to Active Duty not as a Drilling Reservist. We do not draft for the Reserves we draft for Active Duty.
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Bush was in the National Guard on ACTIVE DUTY he wasn't a reservist.
Prove it.
Was he in the military 24/7 as a soldier or was he supposed to be attending weekend drills with a 2 week commitment.
Krogsbrew investigate the military better. One of the reasons he went into the National Guard was so he would not be drafted.
edited - due to sleep deprived errors.
Edited, Sat May 22 21:54:46 2004 by Stok
I dont give a rat's a** about the National Guard. Im referring to this
You are defending GW's right to skip drills. I dont care who it is, if someone misses drills in Reserves, NG, or SEALS I would not want to fight beside that person.
The reserves may allow you to miss a drill, but my conscience doesn't.
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GW was a drilling reservist where the option to miss scheduled drills is allowed.
You are defending GW's right to skip drills. I dont care who it is, if someone misses drills in Reserves, NG, or SEALS I would not want to fight beside that person.
The reserves may allow you to miss a drill, but my conscience doesn't.
What was that? He wasn't a reservist? You were dead wrong?
Good to know.
Good to know.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200402180840.asp
National Guard is controlled by the States Governer paid through State Funds where as Reserves are federally controlled and paid for through Federal Funding. The two systems of performing duty are similiar. Often times when talking about Reservists the two systems are grouped together.
Shall we continue to play a game of symantecs?
the link above covers what happened. Any reservist or national guard when in Active Reserve status not Active Duty status is required to complete one weekend a month and upto 2 weeks a year on Active Duty status. There are exceptions to these requirements where drills can be rescheduled due to civilian work conflicts or family issues. Reservists and National Guardsmen are Civilian Soldiers, they are a volunteer force where their livelihood is from their civilian career. After reading the linked article above it appears Bush dedicated more time to the Country in a part time status than is actually required.
Continue to berate Reservists that miss scheduled drills all you want Krogsbrew, but until you have worked a month as a civilian/soldier your opinion about this is meaningless.
National Guard is controlled by the States Governer paid through State Funds where as Reserves are federally controlled and paid for through Federal Funding. The two systems of performing duty are similiar. Often times when talking about Reservists the two systems are grouped together.
Shall we continue to play a game of symantecs?
the link above covers what happened. Any reservist or national guard when in Active Reserve status not Active Duty status is required to complete one weekend a month and upto 2 weeks a year on Active Duty status. There are exceptions to these requirements where drills can be rescheduled due to civilian work conflicts or family issues. Reservists and National Guardsmen are Civilian Soldiers, they are a volunteer force where their livelihood is from their civilian career. After reading the linked article above it appears Bush dedicated more time to the Country in a part time status than is actually required.
Continue to berate Reservists that miss scheduled drills all you want Krogsbrew, but until you have worked a month as a civilian/soldier your opinion about this is meaningless.
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Shall we continue to play a game of symantecs?
The semantics of you being wrong? No, I'd rather you were just a man about it. Not that I excpect that to happen, but it'd be refreshing.
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BTW, what branch of the services is this guy who was sent to jail for deserting again? Can't be the National Guard, right? I mean, hell, he's a reservist then.
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Where am I wrong Smash?
Bush was in the National Guard. His unit was not Activated. In the language of the Military Reservist and National Guard are interchangeable. Bush was in the National Guard, not the Reserves. - Happy?
He was still on Active Drilling Status not called up to Active Duty.
Bush was in the National Guard. His unit was not Activated. In the language of the Military Reservist and National Guard are interchangeable. Bush was in the National Guard, not the Reserves. - Happy?
He was still on Active Drilling Status not called up to Active Duty.
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Shall we continue to play a game of symantecs?
Cool, they make games now? I love their anti-virus program.
Yes, yes, I know- there's nothing lower than a spelling ****. Well, except for people who invoke the citation of Godwin's Law by alluding to the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
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BTW, what branch of the services is this guy who was sent to jail for deserting again? Can't be the National Guard, right? I mean, hell, he's a reservist then.
He was a member of a National Guard Unit that was activated to Active Duty which would officially make him a soldier in the United States Army until his unit is deactivated. Members of my Reserve unit have been actived onto Full Time Active Duty status, where as some of us have not yet been activated.
The military is a complex system, someone who claims to be such an expert would know all of this.
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He was still on Active Drilling Status not called up to Active Duty.
Oh, I see, Johnson hadn't sent weekend warriors who never expected to see any sort of combat off to die in a far away land. Now it makes more sense. Thank goodness Bush wasn't in the NG when a simmilar minded President was in office or he mikght have had to actually resort to deserting to avoid combat instead of just not showing up for drills.
Fortunate Son that he was he didn't havev to take that risk, I guess. Allthough, what am I saying, he would have made up some ******** medical reason not to serve, Cheney would have shown him how.
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The military is a complex system, someone who claims to be such an expert would know all of this.
I like it when you get desperate like that. It's endearing.
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I'm not desperate - I'm just get tired of explaining stuff that I'm certain you know something about, 'cause you want to get me flustered. :)
I'm not condoning his joining the NG when others where drafted. But the facts are that he did and the system is set up in a way that missing or rescheduling drills is allowed. He used the system and the system is obviously not understood by people that have not been part of it.
He should have gone, and probably would have gone had his out dated aircraft been needed in theater. But that is purely hypothetical.
edited - really I am making mistakes in typing because we are on hour 36 of only 2 hours sleep.
Edited, Sat May 22 22:46:24 2004 by Stok
He should have gone, and probably would have gone had his out dated aircraft been needed in theater. But that is purely hypothetical.
edited - really I am making mistakes in typing because we are on hour 36 of only 2 hours sleep.
Edited, Sat May 22 22:46:24 2004 by Stok
It's better to play dumb on this one.
Like this:
Wait, Bush was in the Guard, this guy was in the Guard, they both didn't show up.
Bush is a deserter QED!!!
Like this:
Wait, Bush was in the Guard, this guy was in the Guard, they both didn't show up.
Bush is a deserter QED!!!
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He used the system
Thank you for that one. So why do you keep arguing my
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The reserves may allow you to miss a drill, but my conscience doesn't
Yeah the system allowed him to take his actions, but that still doesnt mean I should condone them.
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Wait, Bush was in the Guard, this guy was in the Guard, they both didn't show up.
Bush is a deserter QED!!!
Bush is a deserter QED!!!
Play dumb all you want. There is a vast difference in the two situations. The only commonality is that they where both in the National Guard.
I'll take your last post as conceding the arguement.
Sure, why not. What's with the lack of sleep? Trouble in coffeland??
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Thank you for that one. So why do you keep arguing my opinion?
Because I would really like you to rethink your opinion. This is my perception of your opinion and statements... that any one in the reserve systems that misses drills due to work conflict or family issues is not worth serving with. I take personal offense to that, because I am in the reserve system and the system allows for specifically what George did and reservists do all the time, yet your opinion is that we that do this are not worth serving with. - that pisses me off.
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Sure, why not. What's with the lack of sleep? Trouble in coffeland??
We had a music event last night and people bought me too many espresso shots, which kept me up late. I had to open this a.m. because we started a new breakfast menu, and I have to make sure it goes right. So too much espresso makes for little sleep. Then we had another group come in tonight and I am scheduled to close on Saturdays, and my wife had a garage sale to run today, which means all work and no play for me today.
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The records indicate that, despite his move to Alabama, Bush met his obligation to the Guard in the 1972-73 year. At that time, Guardsmen were awarded points based on the days they reported for duty each year. They were given 15 points just for being in the Guard, and were then required to accumulate a total of 50 points to satisfy the annual requirement. In his first four years of service, Bush piled up lots of points; he earned 253 points in his first year, 340 in his second, 137 in his third, and 112 in his fourth. For the year from May 1972 to May 1973, records show Bush earned 56 points, a much smaller total, but more than the minimum requirement (his service was measured on a May-to-May basis because he first joined the Guard in that month in 1968).
Bush then racked up another 56 points in June and July of 1973, which met the minimum requirement for the 1973-74 year, which was Bush's last year of service. Together, the record "clearly shows that First Lieutenant George W. Bush has satisfactory years for both '72-'73 and '73-'74, which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner," says retired Lt. Col. Albert Lloyd, a Guard personnel officer who reviewed the records at the request of the White House.
Bush then racked up another 56 points in June and July of 1973, which met the minimum requirement for the 1973-74 year, which was Bush's last year of service. Together, the record "clearly shows that First Lieutenant George W. Bush has satisfactory years for both '72-'73 and '73-'74, which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner," says retired Lt. Col. Albert Lloyd, a Guard personnel officer who reviewed the records at the request of the White House.
This proves Bush met his military requirements for the years in question.
As for the SSG Mejia that was convicted he actually deserted his unit, which he was legally obligated to return to, regardless of his conscience.
The two situations are completely different.
I will smile for 30 seconds on the behalf of Smash on election night 2004 when GW is elected to a second term.
I voted for the other guy.
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